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Vittu-Vittu-Vittu



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hreodbeorht wrote:
Clandestine Blaze? Or rather where to go next - only heard the two most recent.


Work your way backwards. The debut is only one you can/should skip.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7.62×39 wrote:

How about Merzbow?


Also curious. I only know/own Material Action 2 LP, which I like, but the whole disco seems extremely overwhelming.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vittu-Vittu-Vittu wrote:
hreodbeorht wrote:
Clandestine Blaze? Or rather where to go next - only heard the two most recent.


Work your way backwards. The debut is only one you can/should skip.


Makes sense, thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CR99 wrote:
7.62×39 wrote:

How about Merzbow?


Also curious. I only know/own Material Action 2 LP, which I like, but the whole disco seems extremely overwhelming.


Buy the Merzcar Very Happy

I'd say either Electric Salad or 1930. Releases from the 90's are considered his best, most people will mention Pulse Demon too but I find it kind of boring -cool cover art though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Einstürzende Neubauten?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CR99 wrote:
7.62×39 wrote:

How about Merzbow?


Also curious. I only know/own Material Action 2 LP, which I like, but the whole disco seems extremely overwhelming.


Merzbow

Merzbows discography is pretty big so I'll divide his output up into different eras, along with some of his collaborations, so you can at least have a rough orientation on where to start out, according to what you might like.

early Merzbow, 80s

His early phase is already pretty noisy, but not nearly as severe as on later albums. It's much more characterized by found sounds, tape loops and manipulation, sound collages or even musique concrčte. Some albums from that era that are great and easy to obtain:

- Escape Mask
- Pornoise 1 KG
- Remblandt Assemblage
- Life Performance

Analog era 80s, 90s

Less of a collage-y character, more Noise. Some of his most well known records come from this era, I guess mostly because Release Entertainment, a now defunct sublabel of Relapse Records, released some of his albums, which are now considered classics of the genre. And maybe John Zorn's Tzadik label. Harsh Noise Wall.

- Venereology (was just reissued on vinyl!)
- Pulse Demon (this one and Venereology are considered to be some of the harshest records he made)
- Tauromachine
- 1930
- Sphere

Digital era, late 90s - 2008

Sometime around the late 90s Merzbow went from producing Noise on analog equipment to producing Noise digitally, i.e. with a laptop. There are some that claim this is where Merzbow has lost his soul, but I personally feel that this adds an even colder, harsher, more "aseptical" feel to the Noise. During this time he would also start to incorporate more and more of his animal rights themes, lots of manipulated or distorted animal sounds reflect this.

- Frog
- Animal Magnetism
- Bariken
- Minazo Vol. 1
- Merzbear (only putting this in to highlight his Merz* series [-bird; -buddha; -buta; -zow])

Drumming era, 2008 - 2010

Merzbow was originally a drummer and on a lot of albums during this time he played/improvised drums along with his Noise. I always liked this new element to the sound, not everyone was into it.

- Anicca
- Hodosan
- 13 Japanese Birds (13 CD series about Japanese birds, lots of drumming)

Post-drumming era until present

This phase is too recent for me to characterize it easily. The amount of collaborations with other artists seems to have increased, but more on that later. Some more recent albums I own and like:

- Kookaburra
- Wildwood
- Hatobana
- Exoking

Collaborations

Merzbow has collaborated with a huge bunch of wildly different artists and bands. The collaborations may offer an easy way to get into Merzbow, because it's often not full on harsh Noise, but a little bit more accessible. Sometimes it's even in a "musical" environment!

- Alec Empire vs Merzbow, Live CBGBs (This is awesome, Digital Hardcore/Breakcore with Noise)
- Jamie Saft, Merzbow - Merzdub (atmospheric, dense, should work well with rainy nights)
- Merzbow, Carlos Giffoni - Synth Destruction (The title says it)
- Merzbow, Balázs Pándi (Merzbow made a bunch of albums with drummer Balázs Pándi [which are still very different from Merzbows drumming phase], often along with Thurston Moore, Keiji Haino or Mats Gustafsson, some insane stuff to be found here!)
- Merzbow vs Nordvargr Partikel I-III (really dark and brooding, harsh only in parts, sometimes very minimalistic, almost Ambient)
- Smegma plays Merzbow (personal favorite of mine)
- Sun Ra, Merzbow (weird, great)
- Sonic Youth
- Ikebana, Merzbows Amlux remixed etc (This one is really really good, lots of variation, insanity, lots of fun with this one)

- Merzbow and Drone/Doom/Sludge:
> Boris (series of albums that are all over musically)
> Porn (one album that's pretty good)
> Scott Miller, Lee Camfield - No Closure (Droney, Doomy)
> the O)))bow tracks on Sunn O)))s Flight of the Behemoth
- Merzbow and Grind:
> Gore Beyond Necropsy (Total harsh Noise haha)
> Full of Hell (Not noisy enough for my taste)
> Agoraphobic Nosebleed remixes
-ok, I have to stop now

Anomalies

Throughout his career Merzbow often made albums that I would consider "anomalies", because they are somehow different from his usual harsh output. While they are not representative of his overall sound, they are also good starting points because they are often less harsh. They are ofen also weird and interesting.

- Merzbeat (Merzbow and beats, part 1)
- Senmaida (Merzbow and beats, part 2)
- Music For Bondage Performance (almost Dark Ambient, very atmospheric)
- Merzbient (Merzbow and what he considers Ambient)

Again, have fun! I've spent even more time (last 20 years!) exploring Merzbow than Zappa. This is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg of course! I "only" own about a hundred of his albums and it will never stop. It's also a bit of a curse Laughing

EDIT: I'm also reposting this in the Merzbow thread to make it more wholesome Laughing
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1437176#1437176


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axebix wrote:
Einstürzende Neubauten?


There is something good to be found in all eras but definitely start with Strategies Against Architecture. This is them at their most aggressive sounding.

This is also a particularly good song that feels something along the lines of Godflesh/Bodychoke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzEsimSWjNA
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karlskrone wrote:

Merzbow


Thanks for your detailed input, might wanna start with Venereology & Pulse Demon. I'm usually sceptical of collaborations but G.B.N. seems interesting, grind & noise can go pretty well together.

What about Maurizio Bianchi?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vittu-Vittu-Vittu wrote:
hreodbeorht wrote:
Clandestine Blaze? Or rather where to go next - only heard the two most recent.


Work your way backwards. The debut is only one you can/should skip.


Gotta say I disagree that this is how you should start with this band. I'd say start with Church of Atrocity to get hooked. Deliverers of the Faith is also a good entry point. After that, like the person I quoted said, it's almost all good so you will naturally dig through the catalog once you are into it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flowersofevil wrote:
Vittu-Vittu-Vittu wrote:
hreodbeorht wrote:
Clandestine Blaze? Or rather where to go next - only heard the two most recent.


Work your way backwards. The debut is only one you can/should skip.


Gotta say I disagree that this is how you should start with this band. I'd say start with Church of Atrocity to get hooked. Deliverers of the Faith is also a good entry point. After that, like the person I quoted said, it's almost all good so you will naturally dig through the catalog once you are into it.


Start with Fist of the northern destroyer and Deliverers of faith.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deliverers of Faith is how I started. Great entry point. You'll end up getting them all like I did.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axebix wrote:
Einstürzende Neubauten?


Seconded
"80-83 Strategien Gegen Architekturen"
Also the second part of it: "Bildbeschreibung" is one of their best tracks..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vittu-Vittu-Vittu wrote:
hreodbeorht wrote:
Clandestine Blaze? Or rather where to go next - only heard the two most recent.


Work your way backwards. The debut is only one you can/should skip.


Yeah, with an honourable mention for Deliverers Of Faith, probably my favourite CB album.

I seem to recall an interview where Mikko said he doesn't really consider the debut a worthy part of the CB discography or something along those lines. Anyone know what interview I'm talking about (if it's even true at all)?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've read that too. I've completely ignored the album since I heard it the first time - same goes for the 'archives' and other non-full-length releases
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axebix wrote:
Einstürzende Neubauten?

I'm a sucker for Halber Mensch, but Kollaps is the logical answer. Also that "Armenia" video is ace for starters. And Haus der Luege for a rather dance-y/EBMesque approach that doesn't suck.
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