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GoldenBull
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All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: Why do people keep repressing Black Millenium? That album is a fucking abortion.
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Antimosh003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenBull wrote: | | All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: Why do people keep repressing Black Millenium? That album is a fucking abortion. |
At a guess, its probably because not everyone shares the same opinion. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Antimosh003 wrote: | | GoldenBull wrote: | | All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: Why do people keep repressing Black Millenium? That album is a fucking abortion. |
At a guess, its probably because not everyone shares the same opinion. |
Good album. Didin't spent money on the Drakkar reissue though, looking forward to the DAP record. |
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Wolfram
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenBull wrote: | | All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: Why do people keep repressing Black Millenium? That album is a fucking abortion. |
I disagree, it's my personal favorite Mutiilation album! Makes me want to do drugs, cut myself with razors and piss and cum in the wounds!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Wolfram wrote: | | GoldenBull wrote: | | All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: Why do people keep repressing Black Millenium? That album is a fucking abortion. |
I disagree, it's my personal favorite Mutiilation album! Makes me want to do drugs, cut myself with razors and piss and cum in the wounds! |
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| GoldenBull wrote: | All this talk about copyrights has distracted everyone from the most important question of all: | KRSTFR wrote: | | Will the official DAP productions version of Vampires include Born Under The Masters Spell or Forest of an Evil Dream, Travels to Sadness... and The Bathory cover? And how about the Drakkar bootleg, does anyone know what songs are featured? |
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track listing + clarification of which source materials are being used / what versions would be nice
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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To crush our enemy Drakkar, see Noktu driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of Willy.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| KRSTFR wrote: | | Will the official DAP productions version of Vampires include Born Under The Masters Spell or Forest of an Evil Dream, Travels to Sadness... and The Bathory cover? And how about the Drakkar bootleg, does anyone know what songs are featured? |
The DAP version will have Born Under the masters but it will not have any of the bonus tracks. |
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da666
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| moonan wrote: | | KRSTFR wrote: | | Will the official DAP productions version of Vampires include Born Under The Masters Spell or Forest of an Evil Dream, Travels to Sadness... and The Bathory cover? And how about the Drakkar bootleg, does anyone know what songs are featured? |
The DAP version will have Born Under the masters but it will not have any of the bonus tracks. |
Things change 
Will announce all when pre-orders start and its all ready to go, as it seems if i announce my plans before then people decide to steal my ideas and release the vinyls themselves.
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da666
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| rthdx wrote: | Wow, missed such an epic topic.  Really curious:
a) to hear what Willy say
b) will Cyril actually give off royalities from these re-presses to the band as he said in his statement |
a) i think we are all hanging out for this
b) do you think he'll give him these royalties + the royalties for the 6000 TER bootleg CDs he did too? New press + those, i'd estimate he owes Willy about 15 000 euros, so indeed lets see if he pays all that (even though he has not released any Mutiilation in over 10 years or been in touch with Meyhnach (which he admits) and they both hate each other intensely and openly - it is no secret there).
I know some people are wondering why i even fell for the "ill send you photos" trick to delay my releases so he could get his out on the sly, well only a few months ago when i rereleased "Majestas Leprosus" - Meyhnach had no photos from these leper sessions, only Ordealis Records did (meyhnach sent all copies to him), i got in touch with him and without even a hesitation he sent me all photos he had, all flyers, shirt designs, everything where i could get some images from - he even sent me a few unused contrasts of the cover to pick from - overly helpful.
So of course when i asked Drakkar and he said he had some and had no interest in them and he'd send them for nothing - i thought "im having some good luck tracking down these old photos etc. lately" - but of course i got snaked - hard.
I think the funniest part of the above story is Drakkar use to constantly bag out Ordealis, calling him "jewish" and so on (obviously bitter that Mutiilation went to that label after Drakkar), yet look who acts like the bigger jew in an identical situation?
Drakkar obviously thought he could railroad me, DA being a smaller unknown label, and that people would eat up his story about copyright and ownership of the albums (even though admitting there is no contract and he is in no way in touch with the band),
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i don't think he expected Dani to come out and admit that he was part of the TER bootlegging label, that i would still release my vinyls (the only ones the band approves of), that people would believe the truth and not be sheep to eat up his story.
I won't say much more until willy gets in touch.
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da666
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| rthdx wrote: | Just a side note: were everyone so naive that could not even conceive that Drakkar may do these re-releases anytime he wants? Moral aspect is a risky matter to trust, really.  |
No contract, no band consent = no rerelease. Well official ones. Im sure the "verbal contract" back then was for the limited amount of CDs, and even that there is no proof of since nothing was signed.
Any rereleases with any kind of contract still needs the permission of the band and the approval, and this should be the way no matter what the "law" is, because its the right thing to do.
If he thinks a "verbal contract" is the only thing that gives him the entire rights to the release he is kidding himself, not to mention his bootlegging with TER of 6000 Mutiilation CDs has certainly void anything any way.
Either way, "copyright" and "legal" bullshit + Black Metal do not mix and i really hate even thinking about it or talking about it.
He should of just focused on releasing his own releases pending, instead of looking for a quick cash in and doing it in a deceitful way.
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Xeniteia
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Anyway, Ordéalis WAS a rip-off. Of course, he ripped off mostly French demo bands to avoid problems with bigger ones. But he ripped them off anyway.
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rthdx
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da666,
All these talkative effusions on the subject of general ethic basics are very touching, of corpse, but won't help much in situaltion. You're so ardently counting Willy's money over here, probably there is more sense to hire him a good lawyer if you do so sincerely empathize what had happened?
At the current moment it's only smelling with some shortly coming anti-Drakkar Front, with a web-site and the list of proud subscriptors. 
If everyone who own Mutiilation bootleg just send 5 bucks directly to Will, I'm sure he wouldn't even slightly care about bootlegs at all.  But that could obviously never happen, for the reasons which are pretty clear from the previous 13 pages of the thread.
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