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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmael LeBouc wrote:

Maybe they have GENUINELY changed and regret what they wrote.


This lyric was written by someone else from outside the band, and even sung by someone else not longer a member of the band. Hence it would be easy enough to say this particular song belonged to another era of the band, and does not represent their present-day attitude anymore.

That makes this re-recordings all the more... irritating, if what is said about the new lyrics is true.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though the lyrics are, well, amusing, I must say I dislike the song itself as it breaks the atmosphere of the brilliant 'Dor-nu-fauglith' album itself.

Seemed to me back then it was a salute to the skinhead/rac/oi influences that were slumbering in the nsbm-scene back then. Thunderbolt also had a track like that on the likewise brilliant 'Sons of..' album, 'Spit in his face'.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dostojanstvenik wrote:
Philemon Siclone wrote:
BM in the mid-late-90-ies was (especially in France, Germany, Greece and Poland, back then) more of an attitude-thing than music. Today its just music.


the day it becomes just music, it'll be the end of it...it can never become "just music"...


It is "just music" for quite a LONG time now. And since arrival of generation Y, which listens to simply everything thats available via pushed button (which is everything), it is even just average music. If anyone here tries to relive the past, I'm sorry for him. I decide just to HATE everything that happened in BM since 1999 (somewhere THEN was the day it became "just music"). Cling to the old spirit and thats all one can do.

THERE IS NO "SPECIAL" BM TODAY, as the environmental/infrastructural ground for such a scene like the 90ies had, are all consumed and forever gone. You're living a lie if you even think you're part of something, listening to BM of today.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how for some people BLACK METAL TRVE SPIRIT has to be NS or at least clearly linked with NS.

I've always seen NSBM as nothing but a subgenre that has engendered an impressive amount of crap releases and crap bands. But hey that's just me, maybe the true soul of Black Metal lies in adoring the III Reich and fantasizing about gaschamber because them Jews are such an inferior race.

I thought the occult, evilness, hate & misanthropy, satanism, megalomania and solitude, anti-life stance and above all frustration was the core of Black Metal.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you're an american. That would explain you thinking so completely WRONG!

IF "evilness" was clearly defined, it maybe would be a part of BM, the occult is inherent in any possible and impossible movement during early last century, so its part of NSBM as well, no further thing about that. Megalomania is in itself not punishable, as well as NS-Propaganda is not illegal in the US. In Europe, Generation X wanted to REBEL, and REBEL truly, means to do whats MOST shunned and most illegal. ANd by then, for 40 years, Adolf Hitler had replaced the old church-invented "Satan" as the symbol of evil, as well as of what is shunned in Society. You could not rebel more than adopting NS especially in France and Germany, in western europe.

FRUSTRATION, anti-life, all the crap, is the complete opposite to rebellion. The choice of the WEAK, the EMO, the gay and whatnot else. Maybe the frustrated jewish kind blabbering here above me? Go away. Your Opinion about Black Metal is false and therefore HAS BEEN false ALL YOUR time you spent having it.

But you're always a free (american) shitizen. You can easily put your ideals of FRUSTRATION into action on yourself. If you're not able to think, you will ALWAYS end up having false ideas about what is what. Therefore you should not write at all. The fact that there are more brainless morons around which will cheer your "opinion" doesn't make it any more real and whats more: does not make it more impressive. An EMO-Stance cannot have anything to do with BM never.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the problem is not if a band has NS affiliation or not. The real thing that bothers people with such incidents as this lyric change is the phoniness in such a decision.

I listen to many bands which don't have any NS affiliation, so this is no criteria for (un)trveness aka credibility.

I think the main cause for this decision was to secure distribution channels, live show possibilities, short said, the ability to earn money with music. I am sure that they did not think about these things back in the days.
I also doubt it if so many of our NSBM heroes nowadays think in the same manner as they did in the mid-ninetees. But nonetheless the best solution for the band and their fans would have been to skip "Kein Entkommen" on this release.
Last but not least as i said before, new OI and old OI have nothing in common anymore. For me this will be an Arkhon Infaustus continuation.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmael LeBouc wrote:
I like how for some people BLACK METAL TRVE SPIRIT has to be NS or at least clearly linked with NS.


Come on, you can hardly be as dumb as you come across by writing that, are you? Smile

There is only one thing about Black Metal-"ideology" that's for certain: Namely, "politically correct Black Metal" is nothing but an oxymoron.

For all I can say, there are many "reasons" why "Black Metal-Individualists" (another oxymoron, apparently) say they dislike NS. Be it, that "socialism" is not "misanthropic" enough (quite a joke, considering the billions of corpses piled up by "socialist" regimes during the 20th century). Or, it is not "elitist" enough (another joke, considering in "socialist" regimes a tiny elite has ruled over a vast majority of people). Or whatever... but truth be told, they are just scared shitless of any "NS-affiliation" whatsoever, because they want to appear socially likable among their peers and collegues and family members... and those who profess any sympathy towards NS are widely shunned and marginalized by mainstream society, what is anathema to each and every "Black Metal-elitist" apparently. Hence they dislike NS for no other reason but a meek submission to political correctness, even though they pretend otherwise.

THAT is the highest level of idiocy in Black Metal nowadays, much more so than any antisemitic lyric written 15 years ago. To submit to the very social "standards" they want to abolish, by their own account. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Belvedere wrote:
But nonetheless the best solution for the band and their fans would have been to skip "Kein Entkommen" on this release.


This.

DTBRex wrote:
THAT is the highest level of idiocy in Black Metal nowadays, much more so than any antisemitic lyric written 15 years ago. To submit to the very social "standards" they want to abolish, by their own account. Rolling Eyes


It reminds me these FMP days when some self-called "elitists" praised the standards of today's society and wanted to shun every other opinion as the one of loosers.

They are many ways to succeed, and not all involve a sports car and an Armani suit. Or paying for high amounts of coke and fucking mindless bimbos. Or getting recognized as an "artist" by the mainstream media.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Philemon: Just for the record I'm French and not a Jew. I'm entirely and solely French, my family tree goes back to the XVIIth century, Normandy and Brittany.

That's that. And how can you possibly believe that there is just ONE PURE TRUE VISION OF BLACK METAL AND ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE? Your description of choosing the most shocking element in one's society and following it in order to rebel and shock people and stand against society is nothing but the definition of teenagehood.
Not to mention the fact that there is such a conformity is NSBM and skinhead movements that it somehow kills the ULTIMATE REBEL STANCE

Besides following Nazi ideologies in that they shock the most French nd German is displaying such a limited scope of things... That's what bothers me the most about NSBM: its limited scope. It is so limited in time and space. Sure you can expand the ideology beyond in the pursuit of the Aryan origins, Ultima Thulee and blablabla but in the end Nazism has lasted in effect 12 years. Compare it to Napoleon, The Roman Empire, even Charlemagne's empire, and it seems so limited. Anyway we're off topics.

And number-wise I believe STALIN should be the greatest villain of them all right? He's responsible for more deaths than Hitler. So choose your idol wisely. Euronymous was right!

@DTBREX: indeed BM cannot be "politically correct" we agree on that. But NSBM isnt the only way to be shocking/politically incorrect. Drug use, Satanism are valid possibilities as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmael LeBouc wrote:

Besides following Nazi ideologies in that they shock the most French nd German is displaying such a limited scope of things... That's what bothers me the most about NSBM: its limited scope. It is so limited in time and space. Sure you can expand the ideology beyond in the pursuit of the Aryan origins, Ultima Thulee and blablabla but in the end Nazism has lasted in effect 12 years. Compare it to Napoleon, The Roman Empire, even Charlemagne's empire, and it seems so limited.


Lasted 12 yrs but will be remembered in shock and awe for an eternity to come.

asmael LeBouc wrote:
@DTBREX: indeed BM cannot be "politically correct" we agree on that. But NSBM isnt the only way to be shocking/politically incorrect. Drug use, Satanism are valid possibilities as well.


Nah, drug use is socially accepted. It's already been discussed to legalize drugs, and this discussion is not one "coming from the fringe", either. Satanism has no shock value, either. Maybe in parts of Europe still dominated by pious peasants, you can stir up some trouble by worshipping the devil... but by and large, nobody gives a goddamn' fuck about this anymore. You can burn the bible, break the cross, piss on the Pope... and you'll have people looking the other way, not because they feel shocked and disgusted but because THEY DO NOT CARE.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmael LeBouc wrote:

That's that. And how can you possibly believe that there is just ONE PURE TRUE VISION OF BLACK METAL AND ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE?


Because I am a megalomaniac. I thought you thought megalomania is an integral part of BM? At leasst you said it above.

Seems not so. YOUR TRUE INNER (and so nowaday-like) definition of BM is "discussing what it is (within legal safe borders) in a Forum"!!

NOW you're not just an EMO, you're a DEMOCRAT, too!!

Idiot.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell you what: I don't have a definition of BM. All I know is NSBM is just a subgenre and NOT the quintessence of BM or the epitome of BM

Not to mention the fact that a true Nazi regime woumd consider BM as a disgrace to be eradicated, as an UGLY DEGENERATE and DEVIANT form of art and would be therefore thoroughly BANNED. DTBRex would be sent to a work camp for propagating degenerated music. His entire stick woumd be seized and burned and indeed he'd spent a long time in a sort of reeducation/work camp.

Nazi's vision of art is one a harmony, beauty, utterly classical in Plato's sense. BM is just the perfect opposite. Dudes half naked with dirty long hair yelling in a mic with a saturated sound with a shitty set-up is aeons away from the pure grand orderly military classical symphonies cherished by Nazis. So all NSBM, even though the message would be regarded as acceptable, would be absolutely discarded.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point 1: I never talked aubout NSBM. I talk about BM. The Term NSBM came up as late as 1997 when there already were a lot of bands with ns-whatever-stuff in their BM.

So I talk about BM.

And then you said:

"Not to mention the fact that a true Nazi regime woumd consider BM as a disgrace to be eradicated, as an UGLY DEGENERATE and DEVIANT form of art and would be therefore thoroughly BANNED. DTBRex would be sent to a work camp for propagating degenerated music. His entire stick woumd be seized and burned and indeed he'd spent a long time in a sort of reeducation/work camp."


Ah yeah? wasn't Göring a subhuman Drug-Addict (someone that even could be your definition of "incorrect" BM)? Wasn't Goebbels bodily disabled? Didn't Himmler have very strange Ideas NOT approved at all by his Boss? Wasn't Ley an alcoholic to the fullest? ANd where was Streicher anywhere fittimng in an aryan definition?? NOBODY in the third Reich hat to fit their own Ideas. And that is great because a) its again pure random choice/pure megalomania and b) it negates this SOOOO overused and SOOOOO old "Argument of yours COMPLETELY!!! Its actually always the first thing you hear: Hey, you'd have been gassed in a camp by the nazis.

Lousy, your bickering.

Wagner was once only recepted to as pure noise and garbage by elder persons who had never heard anything like it. And the marching songs of SA and SS?? PURE HARMONY? Oh yeah. Not to mentio WHAT sort of Humans were ACTIVE members of SA and SS. Not just capable of "screaming into a mic with unwashed hair" or however you asshole put it, but people capable of murder on large and small scale. Capable of torture and perversion far beyond that what YOUR supposed "BM"-bands only propagate but would and could never do.

Last: Why talk about "would have been". Its not 1933 now. If there EVER was a new NS-State (something I don't see in the near future), it would consist of people with an altogether different opinion on all of this. So your "Argument" is not only the most lame and overused. It also is your utter failure here. Why don't you just LEAVE this thread?

The few mongrels who would listen to your "logics" can quite easily gather in a NON POLITICAL HARMLESS BM-thread and not bother us with their dumbness anymore and we all could live happily side by side like neighbours.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmael LeBouc wrote:

Not to mention the fact that a true Nazi regime woumd consider BM as a disgrace to be eradicated, as an UGLY DEGENERATE and DEVIANT form of art and would be therefore thoroughly BANNED. DTBRex would be sent to a work camp for propagating degenerated music. His entire stick woumd be seized and burned and indeed he'd spent a long time in a sort of reeducation/work camp.


Indeed I would be at a camp:



It's a flawed perception/comprehension to believe all Black Metal would be banned, and all Metal-listeners rounded up and be sent to a forced labor camp, in something like a "Fourth Reich". As if that would somehow contradict those people listening/playing (Black) Metal who do have "politically extremist" notions and opinions, too. You don't get it, do you?

There would be no "counter culture" like (NS)-Black Metal anymore as soon as the "counter reality" it does strive for has been manifested ultimately. This Black Metal would just cease to exist, as a "subculture" of one "rebelling/dissenting" youth at the very least.

Instead of dreams of grandeur, of fantasizing about "Kein Entkommen!", you could actually go out and DO IT. That's what this is all about. Not about any music taste or any music lifestyle, or what have you. None of that would matter anymore as soon as the reality of all has been changed to match the fantasy of few...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never listened to this band. Not sure if I want to now, knowing that I let myself in for years of philosophising over lyrical changes and differing cultural attitudes.

Seems like a lot of over-analysing going on here.
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