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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grafvolluth wrote:
I used to have a kid (Not really a kid, but not really a man either. He was around 30) who worked for me claiming he was antifa. I personally don't give a shit one way or another what he believed in as long as he worked hard. All i can say is that this was the lazyest sod I ever highered. He may have lasted a month or so on the job. He used to pretend he was French too. It's basicly how I feel about the entire "organization".


haha what kind of work was it?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

probert wrote:
Pacifism-Sucks wrote:
probert wrote:
this whole thing is disgusting and fucked (on ""antifa's"" part obviously) but they are organizing, disrupting and pissing off what they see as the "enemy". ill just echo the sentiment that if yall are so ""extreme"" and genuinely outraged maybe take a cue?

LOL
It sounds like a small gig will start IVth Reich or something like that.


all im saying is that these "antifa" people are going around and fucking up events and pissing off people who they see as the "enemy", "scum" and any number of terms that people here use to describe them (the "antifas"). all the 'extreme' metal people who are all up in arms do nothing except whinge about "censorship" (which is pretty ironic coming from someone who has a fascist outlook). this certainly isnt a call to arms or anything (im pretty much left of left of left, though obviously i think this "antifa" group is off it's rocker and COMPLETELY lost). merely pointing out that "antifa" seems to be actually doing things against people they see as the "enemy" whereas "extreme metal"'s (for lack of better word) actions are putting out "devastating" CDs that will "eradicate all scum in it's path" or some similar nonsense.


The problem is that "extreme metal" is not actually at fault for pussying out or backing down. It's not like ANTIFA threats have ever had an impact on a given concerts attendance or anything of the sort. They always threaten either the venue owner or the media that they will be in attendance to disrupt this or that. The point is that anyone other than these sacks of shit, who happen to operate with the silent approval of powerful interests, get away with what people would argue constitute terrorist activity.

If ANYONE else said "We will put a stop to the next ______, with violence if neccessary", do you think for a moment that the public or the authorities would tolerate it? It is because they invoke the only taboos this worthless "society" has, that they enjoy the means to do what they do.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh, ive actually talked on that point with someone. i have no suggestions for recourse or no desire to formulate them, haha. it just seems like someone dedicated to 'eradicating all scum' or whatever would come up with something other than a CD that 100 bubble people will hear.

it's certainly way trickier to do something in retaliation from the "extreme metal" side especially in germany. but as i said before, if you really care beyond hollow sentiments, figure it out, fuck it up and dont get caught. which seems to be what "antifa" is accomplishing.. with government support.. ugh, arent they supposed to be 'anarchists'?

whole thing is a shit show. SEACREST OUT!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

probert wrote:
it just seems like someone dedicated to 'eradicating all scum' or whatever would come up with something other than a CD that 100 bubble people will hear


1.) THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SCUM THE UN AND TRUDEAU TOLD ME SO
2.) Otherwise I agree:wink: , but that basically means the end of this discussion unfortunately. I have no interest in discussing quasi-terrorist activity on a public internet forum with a tagline that is also my stagename. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grafvolluth wrote:
I used to have a kid (Not really a kid, but not really a man either. He was around 30) who worked for me claiming he was antifa. I personally don't give a shit one way or another what he believed in as long as he worked hard. All i can say is that this was the lazyest sod I ever highered. He may have lasted a month or so on the job.


Typical, it's always left wing extremists defending and having their mouth full of the 'working class' while hardly any of them really work themselves!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

probert wrote:
[ putting out "devastating" CDs that will "eradicate all scum in it's path" or some similar nonsense.


Yeah, you want a war, you've a got a war, you play with fire, you'll eventually get burned. You love the second world war, well stay at home and read a book.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't count the times I had an Antifa discussion in a local leftist pub. Although it is run by highly intelligent and open minded folks (lots of Metal is aired there, never had problems when setting up gigs in there, and wow, two of them are even bald headed) the urban Antifa gathers a lot there. They can't just imagine a random guy like me to be neither left nor right winged. Some guys really try to convince me (in poor language of course) to fight against the police and support exactly their ideas of society.

Last August I helped out at the Burial Invocation European tour (another complicated topic). Nevertheless Funeral Whore and Deathronation were support. On the third and last day some people left the venue as protest towards them, just by the fact that nearly all members had bald heads. Some were really afraid of getting a bad reputation through extreme leftist internet platforms caused by those fuckheads.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baldness is a third reich problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodens Grav wrote:
X.S. wrote:
The thought police knows no jurisdiction. The question is..Will you continue to allow them to question your ability to reason as an autonomous being, and permit them to invade your sovereignty of mind? Or will you repell their psychological and physical attacks, meet aggression with aggression, and exercise your natural right of self defense? The choice is obvious.. NO PACIFISM AND DEFEAT, KNOW VIOLENCE AND VICTORY!! CRUSH THESE SCUM!!!!


skeletor666 wrote:
its just highlight s how most people into black metal are spineless shits otherwise these cunts wouldnt see it as such an easy target ,because its all they want "an easy target "


stick a knife in one of them or smash their teeth with something ,then they will listen or fuck off,


i would love to see every antifa cunt swinging from a gallows a mile long .


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What is bizarre is that people somehow have lost touch with extremity as a genre. Extreme metal should be dangerous, and rightfully feared.

Praise holy death.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

probert wrote:
it just seems like someone dedicated to 'eradicating all scum' or whatever would come up with something other than a CD that 100 bubble people will hear.


And in two words, you summarize the problem of the far-right:

"bubble people"

That also describes all of the left, but that's another matter.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conservationist wrote:
Art should explore the unknown, feared, hoped, etc.


N. wrote:
well, it's the same old story, people always going out of their way to point out flaws of others, finding things they dislike and putting their noses in what doesn't concern them.


Quite. Extremity is interesting on many levels, whether it's the madness of the Westboro baptist church, a Howard Chaykin comic book or a recording by Nicole 12. I'd rather it be in existence and inform our existence, casting some light on areas of life that repel and appall the herd, than it be extinguished due to moralistic tripe. The irrational behaviour by this brigade of do-gooders is absurd. PMRC similarities stated are correct.

Is this group active in targeting right wing political movements too or is it just heavy metal concerts with bands that have tenuous links to the right wing or perhaps even a Darwinist philosophy that are of a concern to them? Ludicrous.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arma Satanica wrote:
I've already written on the subject, but you provoked a second response from me with this thread.

We must face the fact that a huge part of the blame for what happened lies not on the antifas. I have researched all the sources available and concluded that there was no direct antifa violence (Hell, did even the announced antifa meeting on 18:30 at Sunday actually happen?!) and no straight prohibition of the gig by the authorities, the orgs and club owners simply backed down under threats. All this happened without any prior informing of the gig attendants (e.g., there was no explanation when it was moved from Slaughterhouse to Blackland), and only later the public was presented with an accomplished fact. And I'm not even discussing the smartness of the original booking of the gig at a place which appears to be well known as lefties' hanging out place.

I wonder what would have happened if the gig wasn't cancelled and at least half of the crowd that attended NWN! would come to Blackland to see the bands or simply protect the event. Or could them?

What actually happened looks like second defeat in a row after the antifas ("shavki", as we call them in Russia) have pressured the Iron Bonehead shop into closure.


Well said, and you have hit the nail on the head alright.

German "Antifa" appears only that powerful because the "Brothers of Metal" (over here, at least) are spineless creatures by and large. As you have said correctly, the gig was not prohibited by local authorities. It's questionable if "Antifa" would or could have prevented the concert from taking place by their own efforts. They have never turned up to protest against any Metal-concert whatsoever, and they have never bothered to go out and to physically confront any "Metalhead" over his "fascist views", either. I should know, for obvious reasons.

It's not as if they lack the means to stage a protest turning violent in front of a venue holding a Metal-concert, or else. They just don't need to bother, because they understand the "Brothers of Metal" will be sufficiently intimidated by verbal threats and abuse alright. Rather than challenging "Antifa" by doing what you think is the right thing to do, as if they don't even exist, it does happen - like in this particular case - time and again that you read lengthy statements by organizers and bands alike, explaining why "Antifa" is wrong and how you feel all misunderstood and mistreated. Yet in the end, you will do as they ask and kick this band off the line-up or write that disclaimer ("No Politics - Just Music", blabla) in your next release.

Blackland not needed to cancel this event, no one has forced their hand to call it off. They did that of their own accord. Why, because they were surely afraid they'd share the fate of "Metal & Hell", that one record store in Berlin attacked by "Antifa" at the time of 2nd NWN-festival and closed down two weeks later. Was there any "Brother of Metal" rushing to aid and to support this store? None of the major Metal-magazines from Germany, be them print or online, did report, much less, did condemn the political violence against a record store selling Metal music. Nor did any German Metal-band of distinction voiced their disgust at this infringement of the freedom of art and expression. They all kept their mouth shut, because they all are too afraid to be accused of "guilt by association" themselves. Or worse, they are "leftists" themselves and even welcome what happened to "Metal & Hell" (like they did when Polish "Antifa" attacked Kroda in 2009).

For as long as Black Metal-bands and fans remain passive and indecisive when it comes to defending their free speech and all, they will get fucked by "Antifa" time and again. "Antifa" won't ever stop regardless of how many elaborate statements you are going to publish. Grow some balls and stand up to your adversaries; that way you'll not only earn self-respect but the respect of those who wish to challenge you over your beliefs, as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you just described is probably an order of magnitude greater then anything we have had happen here. There was some serious conflicts of a legitimately political nature in the early 90s between "Anti-Racist Action" supporters and the "Heritage Front", but thats the extent of it.

How feasible do you think your suggestion is, given Germany's "anti hate " laws? Im not as familiar with the situation as I would like to be.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orpheus wrote:

How feasible do you think your suggestion is, given Germany's "anti hate " laws? Im not as familiar with the situation as I would like to be.


Well, I don't see what ZOGermany's legislation does have to do with quit whining over "Antifa" abuse. What would be the first step to be taken, actually. I am really tired of lengthy statements by Metal-bands and promoters in response to some silly stunt pulled off by "Antifa"-kids.

I don't care to read any of them, so do you think they bother reading them?

Thing is, you can't even say their ("Antifa") arguments are all moot and invalid. Because they ain't. There are interviews, there are lyrics, there are affiliations of some kind... Plenty of these, mind you.

Just don't give a fuck and do what you want to do. Like, making this concert with every one of the bands going to happen. If you can't pull it off in the first place, then don't even bother trying. Now it's "Antifa" who can claim another easy victory, and they will surely keep pushing for more. If you'd dig deep enough, then you could turn up all sorts of "shit" on quite a few bands, even the really popular ones. Luckily (for the bands as well as the promoters), "Antifa" does not even know where to look, because they are outsiders to this scene.

Let's keep them out and don't give them any power and influence over what's going to happen in (Black) Metal, I'd say. It's that easy.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTBRex wrote:
because they are outsiders to this scene.



When you go to the local squad with a Satanic Warmaster shirt, no one will bother you, but a Burzum shirt would be a tough choice. At our local PC-Antifa-Club Negative Approach weren't allowed to play, because they are somehow affiliated to Seth Putnam (I think they played on his wedding or something stupid like that). Toxik Holocaust was vacant too, not because they have a split with Vomitor but for using the word holocaust in their bandname Laughing
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