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NK7
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| Steken wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | Gotta read this, I need to know in which way long hair, pot/alcohol/drug abuse, individualism, satanism, antisocial behaviour and lifetime unemployment fit NS. I doubt 580 pages are enough to explain that. |
Because in much of present-day Europe, NS is "antisocial behaviour". |
Sure, but social outcasts/free thinkers weren't exactly looked upon favourably in NS societies and trust me on that metalheads aren't welcome among nowadays skinhead circles either. Per se, NSBM is an ideological nonsense.
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Is learning English also "antisocial behaviour" in Italian society?
Just wondering, because the bigger part of the world does pretty well with English.
Don't think the content of the book is that tricky that a serious journalist can't provide a translation on his own. |
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| NK7 wrote: | | metalheads aren't welcome among nowadays skinhead circles either. |
Maybe in the past. But been to few local RAC gigs arranged by finnish Blood & Honour with few friends and we have never had any problems. Also I know couple older skinheads who tolerate metal quite well. Why else these guys would have come to sell RAC/WP cd's to Arghoslent or Temnozor gigs?
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Can't really confirm this, Tireheb.
All the events I witnessed involving people from both subcultures ranged from "pretty sour taste, bad vibrations" to "people getting seriously injured". |
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Tireheb
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Of course I speak about my own experiences. That may be the case in other countries but not in Finland these days.
Only fights on RAC gigs I've seen were between skinheads themselves.
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| Stalinorgel wrote: | | Is learning English also "antisocial behaviour" in Italian society? |
Pretty much. Not too proud to say this but I think less than 5% of Italians would be able to stand a conversation in acceptable informal English.
| Tireheb wrote: | | maybe in the past. But been to few local RAC gigs arranged by finnish Blood & Honour with few friends and we have never had any problems. |
I'm not saying you'll necessarily end up being beaten up but here (eastern Europe, Italy isn't much different though) it's not a bright idea to show up at RAC events in long hair and leather gear while asking people to share a joint or two. Skins usually like some metal (mostly motorhead, ac/dc, Dio kind of stuff though) but the whole antichristian/"do what you want" liberal approach of black metal isn't something that goes along with their views much -most modern NS organizations are para-clerical in fact. On the other hand I had my fair amount of odd looks from metalheads when wearing NS-themed shirts, celtic crosses and stuff at metal shows. From what I hear Finland is a much friendlier, more relaxed type of environment so may be that explains your experience.
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| NK7 wrote: | | Stalinorgel wrote: | | Is learning English also "antisocial behaviour" in Italian society? |
Pretty much. Not too proud to say this but I think less than 5% of Italians would be able to stand a conversation in acceptable informal English.
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Noticed that too. Not even italians who are making their living from tourism cant speak english, be it in hotels or in restaurants. Some managed to understand something but werent able to answer and some understood only "hello", "thank you" and "bye". I somehow understand that from older people, but younger were also like they never heard any other language than italian.
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This should definitely not be translated in english. Learn italian instead.
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| Valgrinder wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | Stalinorgel wrote: | | Is learning English also "antisocial behaviour" in Italian society? |
Pretty much. Not too proud to say this but I think less than 5% of Italians would be able to stand a conversation in acceptable informal English.
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Noticed that too. Not even italians who are making their living from tourism cant speak english, be it in hotels or in restaurants. Some managed to understand something but werent able to answer and some understood only "hello", "thank you" and "bye". I somehow understand that from older people, but younger were also like they never heard any other language than italian. |
Foreign languages are usually looked upon as lesser grade subjects by both teachers and students in Italian schools and confined to a mere 2-3 classes a week -if that much. Foreign tv programs/movies are all dubbed and people don't travel that often -and when they do they expect people from abroad to understand Italian. As a result this is how the former prime minister speaks English, which says a lot: http://youtu.be/nEvdQpHhSzY
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| Timon wrote: | | This should definitely not be translated in english. Learn italian instead. |
After all it's the original fascist language.
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| So that is what all those years of FMP issues were, simple language misunderstanding between you and ...I will not name the name to not be named................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ |
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| satanic ritual abuse wrote: | | Timon wrote: | | This should definitely not be translated in english. Learn italian instead. |
After all it's the original fascist language. |
Well the book is about National Socialism-related themes so it should have been written in German by that argument 
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| NK7 wrote: | | satanic ritual abuse wrote: | | Timon wrote: | | This should definitely not be translated in english. Learn italian instead. |
After all it's the original fascist language. |
Well the book is about National Socialism-related themes so it should have been written in German by that argument |
A German translation geht in Ordnung, an English translation would be a crime. |
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