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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can we finally face that if BM were around during the National Socialist period most band members would have ended up in camps for promoting degenerate art, being slavic/russian (oddly a lot of NS bands seem to be). Should be obvious to anyone who has seriously paid attention or has a basic understanding of National Socialism...


You don't have, evidently. Go back to watching more Hollywood propaganda. Or else, buy this book and get some "basic understanding" of NSBM.

Exactly, in which way you're supposed to be an authority on the subject? Is it because you're German and ended up in jail because of your sieg heiling at gigs? Or was it because of your true aryan slaughtering of a kid half your size and age in a fair 2 to 1 fight? He obviously has a point there, chances are long haired, pot-smoking, coke-snorting faggots living off welfare would have been gassed instantly back in the day. Not to mention all the satanic bullshit would have quickly got them in trouble, or why else do you think people into freemasonry, OTO, fortune tellers etc were persecuted and often deported? You do realize "Gott mit uns" was the motto of SS, don't you? And don't even bother mentioning that retarded book about the supposed "occult" roots of the 3rd Reich, which no serious historian has ever taken seriously nor ever will.

Last, recommending anyone to read a book written by Italians about Satanic Warmaster to understand NS is like telling people to watch ET to get a clue of astronomy.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last, recommending anyone to read a book written by Italians about Satanic Warmaster to understand NS is like telling people to watch ET to get a clue of astronomy.

and an Italian with a "slav" surname above all...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Save your breath. Your ramblings do nothing but prove, once again, you are clueless.

If you - or anyone else - talk of "people being gassed for promoting degenerate art" or for "looking Slavic" during the era of NS-Germany, then give some examples - with the names of victims; their specific crimes such as "promoting degenerate art" or "smoking pot" or "having long hair"; the year and the place of their demise at the hands of the "Nazis" - or else just shut the fuck up.

All you do is parroting some propaganda you know from hearsay. That's just boring. Just as boring as this "Hitler would never have approved of Black Metal"-bullshit you keep saying time and again. Hitler disappeared in 1945. Black Metal, as we know it, came into existence in 1991. Go figure!

Last but not least, learn to read. I never said this particular book will tell the reader smth about NS that he couldn't read anywhere else. I said, it can tell you smth about NSBM that you won't read anywhere else.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you - or anyone else - talk of "people being gassed for promoting degenerate art" or for "looking Slavic" during the era of NS-Germany, then give some examples - with the names of victims; their specific crimes such as "promoting degenerate art" or "smoking pot" or "having long hair"; the year and the place of their demise at the hands of the "Nazis" - or else just shut the fuck up.

Laughing

Whoever has a remote insight on right-wing activism knows that indulging into said behaviours wasn't exactly welcome in NS Germany (no need to go through archives, just read any decent publication on the subject, works of Fest, Fisher, Knopp etc, oh wait, they're all zionists/reds/hollywood/hearsay aren't they?) just like it's not tolerated within modern skinhead culture/far right organizations -try bringing any pro-drug/pro-abortion/pro-satanism argument to an NPD meeting and let's see the outcome.

Seriously, it's no wonder you need to release DTL tapes for a living.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get me wrong NK7 but referring to Joachim Fest and Guido Knopp isn't exactly helping your (probably valid) argument.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also in Knopp's "Hitlers Gärtner" hab ich gelesen, dass Hitlers Friseur angeblich mal gesagt haben soll, dass ... Laughing

Funny how some people try to look smart and then citate the most non-scientific authors on this subject.
I quite don't get all the rambling around this book. So someone wrote a book about NSBM? Cool! If you understand italian and are interested in the subject, buy it. If not, don't buy it.
I wont buy it, as i think i already know what i want to know and i also don't understand italian.
So where's the big deal about that?!?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr_Belvedere wrote:

I quite don't get all the rambling around this book. So someone wrote a book about NSBM? Cool! If you understand italian and are interested in the subject, buy it. If not, don't buy it.
I wont buy it, as i think i already know what i want to know and i also don't understand italian.
So where's the big deal about that?!?


This.

And also, a national socialist in, for example, Serbia or even Mongolia. Probably does not promote killing slavs or Mongols. These are just wild guesses though and I might be wrong.

And btw, Hitler liked the Japanese. So he did not support a world wide extermination of everyone not white.

A jewish NSBM band on the other hand. That would be silly. (You can of course argue about zionism being the same fucking thing as NS but that is not the topic of discussion).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't get me wrong NK7 but referring to Joachim Fest and Guido Knopp isn't exactly helping your (probably valid) argument.

Their work isnt flawless of course but it's still accurate for the most part, you could read Irving (just to mention a writer that is commonly revered among ns activists) and still draw the same conclusions on the specific issue debated here. To say that the ethics and retarded pseudo-ideology behind black metal combines well with NS is, oh the irony, truly Absurd.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A jewish NSBM band on the other hand. That would be silly.

nah it wouldn't, the self loathing Jew has a long tradition:
Otto Weininger is a great example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger
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Karl Kraus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Kraus

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(You can of course argue about zionism being the same fucking thing as NS but that is not the topic of discussion).

I think that's a very interesting perspective on totalitarianism

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retarded pseudo-ideology behind black metal


Black Metal artists should finally start denying to Holocaust, instead of promoting it!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pro-drug/pro-abortion/pro-satanism


That's the quintessence of NSBM, then? You ARE retarded indeed.

As for the rest of your rubbish: Don't waste my time. You pretend to have any "insight" into NS (pre- as well as post-1945) yet you live in some remote corner of Europe reading books by Guido Knopp. Give me a break! Rolling Eyes

I asked you to come up with solid examples instead of generalized hearsay, yet you keep talking about things you have no clue about. You don't even get your facts straight, for fucks sake! What sort of silly, sorry clown are you?! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NK7 wrote:
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That's the quintessence of NSBM, then?

I don't know, you tell me. Last time I checked this is what NSBM was all about:



which isn't too far away from my description I believe.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still on the Furlong topic, dunno if you guys read this:

"On December 14, 2012 Furlong appeared before a judge to dispute a court order which forbids him from being alone with his six-year-old son. The child had tested positive for cocaine after spending time with Furlong."

Damn haha!
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Faggotry everywhere. Seriously though, the arguments for Israel mimicking a national socialist regime are far from frivolous. As an aside, some of you seem to think that Nazism and National Socialism are the same thing, if you are one of these people I suggest you read a book. Simply put though, national socialism can be applied to basically any heritage-based group of people w/ a single national identity derived from a specific area (i.e. country, land, etc...). That said, yea there isn't really much in black metal "ideology" that you can align w/ national socialism but who cares, it's just music.
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Faggotry everywhere. Seriously though, the arguments for Israel mimicking a national socialist regime are far from frivolous. As an aside, some of you seem to think that Nazism and National Socialism are the same thing, if you are one of these people I suggest you read a book. Simply put though, national socialism can be applied to basically any heritage-based group of people w/ a single national identity derived from a specific area (i.e. country, land, etc...). That said, yea there isn't really much in black metal "ideology" that you can align w/ national socialism but who cares, it's just music.


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