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| DTBRex wrote: | | you consider NM to (have) be(en) NSBM |
Clearly, you know better, so I won't argue. Although, I'd really appreciate if you could explain how this is not NSBM.
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rthdx
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| bvr wrote: | | Clearly, you know better, so I won't argue. Although, I'd really appreciate if you could explain how this is not NSBM. |
You're trying to fight with windmills here. Try to check some posts related to Ukrainian garbage in general, and you'll find out that majority of the local inhabitants do think that Ukraine is the epitome of Eastern European BM...  I may even tolerate the worshiping of Poland, however strange that may sound from me (at least they had Imperator & Veles)... But all the rest, sorry, I'll be banned if continue...
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DTBRex
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| bvr wrote: | | Although, I'd really appreciate if you could explain how this is not NSBM. |
Well, I don't see any obvious reference to Nationalsocialism. Do you?
This here, on the other hand, is NSBM. Visually as well as lyrically.
I hope you are able to see the difference between the two of them...
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bvr
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| rthdx wrote: | | bvr wrote: | | Clearly, you know better, so I won't argue. Although, I'd really appreciate if you could explain how this is not NSBM. |
You're trying to fight with windmills here. Try to check some posts related to Ukrainian garbage in general, and you'll find out that majority of the local inhabitants do think that Ukraine is the epitome of Eastern European BM... I may even tolerate the worshiping of Poland, however strange that may sound from me (at least they had Imperator & Veles)... But all the rest, sorry, I'll be banned if continue... |
I'm not fighting anyone, actually. While I do realize why NM themselves are doing their best to distance themselves from the NSBM scene, I'm really curious why Mr. DTB is eager to assist them enough to state that an ex-Pagan Front band that has released an 88-track album covered with nazi imagery and statesments like "kill all jews, and commies, and fags, and subhumans! Support total war against degeneration!" has never been NSBM.
Maybe he's right, and NSBM somehow got redefined as a genre sometime in the last 13 years when I was not paying attention to that scene. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rthdx wrote: | | DTBRex wrote: | | This here, on the other hand, is NSBM. Visually as well as lyrically. |
Hendrik, seriously, besides the fact you're being friends or so, do you really accept this as something serious? C'mon, you're near your 40'ies...  |
Greg, this is not about "being serious" or "being a joke". I never said Aryan Terrorism is the pinnacle of NSBM or just a band worthy to be checked out at least, did I? All I said, Aryan Terrorism is NSBM - and so much is self-evident given the imagery and lyrics and sound of their album - whereas Nokturnal Mortum have had, if you look beyond 88 songs and Swastikas, an approach I'd rather file under "Pan-Slavic Nationalism/Paganism" instead of "NSBM".
The only reason why I chose Aryan Terrorism as reference for "NSBM" is to be found in the fact it was a side project of Nokturnal Mortum back in the days. That much should be obvious, actually.
(German) "Antifa" made it a habit to tag any and all Black Metal-bands as "NSBM" who don't happen to speak out against "right wing politics" as a matter of course; I don't think we too should be complicit in such gross generalization...
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| NK7 wrote: | | It's no secret bm is no straight-edge environment |
Also, no secret that Hitler himself was (from 1942 on) addicted to methamphetamine and that he was no stranger to cocaine himself.
Neither that the SS were powered on "pervitin".
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Alastor R. wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | It's no secret bm is no straight-edge environment |
Also, no secret that Hitler himself was (from 1942 on) addicted to methamphetamine and that he was no stranger to cocaine himself. |
Complete utter bullshit. Quote a reliable source that states he was ever into recreational (read again, recreational) drugs and/or approved of their use. Goring, thats a completely different issue.
The amount of both historical/musical revisionist crap on this board never ceases to amaze me.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Alastor R. wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | It's no secret bm is no straight-edge environment |
Also, no secret that Hitler himself was (from 1942 on) addicted to methamphetamine and that he was no stranger to cocaine himself.
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Ah yes? Didn't you know he was also gay and jewish??
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| rthdx wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | The amount of both historical/musical revisionist crap on this board never ceases to amaze me. |
Question to Historical Guru: is Fliegerschokolade & Panzerschokolade a revisionist myth? Always thought they were a significant part of Blitzkrieg success... Am I victim of propaganda?  |
They were given to a few elite units in 1940, as far as I know, but I don't know if this was expanded later.
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Only Theo Morell knows. Strychnine can be a drug as well but only in small doses, like NS references in NM.
Substances given to Hitler
Morell kept a medical diary of the drugs, tonics, vitamins and other substances he administered to Hitler, usually by injection or in pill form. Most were commercial preparations, some were his own. Since some of these compounds are considered toxic, many historians have speculated Morell may have contributed to Hitler's poor health. This fragmentary list of representative ingredients would have seemed somewhat less shocking during the 1940s:
Amphetamines
Belladonna
Atropine
Caffeine
Chamomile
Cocaine (via eye drops)
E. coli
Enzymes
Eukodol; trade name for Oxycodone
Glyconorm
Mutaflor - Derived from Fecal matter of a peasant
Methamphetamine
Morphine
Nux Vomica (a form of strychnine)
Oxedrine Tartrate
Potassium bromide
Prophenazone
Proteins and lipids derived from animal tissues and fats
Sodium barbitone
Sulphonamide
Testosterone
Vitamins
There's some good stuff in this list. Taking Belladonna, Atropine, strychnine and Mutaflor probably brought out the warlock avatar that still dwells in the beautiful alien cities of inner earth.
Oh, and one can learn a valid lesson from Mr. Hitler, if you want to party for 6 years straight without sleeping, don't forget your vitamins.
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| Xeniteia wrote: | | rthdx wrote: | | NK7 wrote: | | The amount of both historical/musical revisionist crap on this board never ceases to amaze me. |
Question to Historical Guru: is Fliegerschokolade & Panzerschokolade a revisionist myth? Always thought they were a significant part of Blitzkrieg success... Am I victim of propaganda? |
They were given to a few elite units in 1940, as far as I know, but I don't know if this was expanded later. |
Amphetamines and coke were being prescribed by the doctors as medical dugs at the time, they were not considered evil. Actually, both sides were on speed during WWII. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Freud used coke on a regular basis for example.
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