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Voidhanger
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| ADK wrote: | | Count G. wrote: | | Even China had their civilisation from Europeans |
Ok, that is maybe the most HILARIOUS historical conspiracy bullshit I ever heard.
Thinking of selling "Belus" by now.... |
If I got rid of albums because the beliefs behind them were whacked I wouldn't own anything...
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ravage
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ADK wrote: | | Count G. wrote: | | Even China had their civilisation from Europeans |
Ok, that is maybe the most HILARIOUS historical conspiracy bullshit I ever heard.
Thinking of selling "Belus" by now.... |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies
Not saying I subscribe to that theory but this is what it's probably based on. |
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cochino
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ADK wrote: | Ah, Cochino and his historical "facts" are not much away from Vikernes and his "facts".
It's not "black and white" as you like it to be. Not ALL Hellenic culture was lost and not ALL was given back during the crusades from the Arabs (ca. 200 years after Karl der Grosse and his Holy Roman German Empire, mind you).
And surely not "modern western culture would have been nothing without the Arabs", man Cochino, are you serious with such statements? Completely random assumptions on your behalf. |
What I am saying is that many of the most important works and milestones of Hellenic culture were recovered through the libraries and archives from the Arabs. The monasteries got them from there. I don't think I said that western culture woud've been nothing, and if I said so I didn't phrase it right (English is not my first language). I am saying that the current European culture owes a lot to Arabic culture, and it certainly wouldn't be the same. What it would be like nobody knows, of course. As I said is that cultures don't exist isolated from each other and that plenty of breakthroughs and advances were the product of cultural interchange. |
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astralvesl
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Who did you learn burned the library of Alexandria? |
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ADK
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| cochino wrote: | | The monasteries got them from there. |
Oha, that is interesting. Please explain how and when the European monasteries got the Hellenic culture from the Arabs. Maybe you need the help of a map for it? |
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cochino
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| There were a lot of monks and people belonging to the clergy that worked translating texts from Arab to Latin, including many Greek texts. You know that there was a lot of contact between the Muslims and the Christians back in the middle ages, right? As in the Muslims occupying about half of the Iberian peninsule for about 500 years? |
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wasteland
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| cochino wrote: | | The Chinese had noodles but the Italians thought about eating it with tomato sauce |
Thank the maker.
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the africans had AIDS and the gays thought about spreading it. fucking team work...
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ADK
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| Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| cochino wrote: | | There were a lot of monks and people belonging to the clergy that worked translating texts from Arab to Latin, including many Greek texts. You know that there was a lot of contact between the Muslims and the Christians back in the middle ages, right? As in the Muslims occupying about half of the Iberian peninsule for about 500 years? |
Aha, interesting. From what I know, the first monasteries where in Germany and France, mainly by the Order of Saint Benedict, ca. 500 AD. How where they capable of translating Arab texts to Latin? And from where did they get those Arabic texts (before their Prophet was even born, ironically)?
As you know, the Arabs were NEVER in France or Germany, but stopped by Karl Martell at the Battle of just forgot the name ca. 700 AD. AFTER that, the Arabs were sitting around in Iberia until 1490something. And I don't think they had some ancient Hellenic wisdom in their pockets while trying to conquer Europe.
However, this still doesn't explain how "lost" Hellenic culture came via the Arabs in the European monasteries, as you proclaim. So, where and how did this exactly happened? |
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cochino
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ADK
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Wikipedia knows it best, thank you.
q.e.d.
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astralvesl
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Perhaps you misunderstand or we're misunderstanding you, but even Burgess Laughlin, who that article cites as support for the assertions that I assume you are basing your claim on, doesn't believe that Hellenistic philosophy/culture was "lost" to the west. Rather, his point is to show the evolution and transmission of Hellenistic works, something that the Arabs did in fact have a great deal of involvement with (specifically Averroes). Just because the latin west was not actively studying (i.e. in monasteries) hellenistic texts does not mean that they were not studying texts that utilized them nor does it mean that they had lost the hellenistic texts or the knowledge contained within them. The time period you're referring to involved an intellectual shift, and the Arabs brought that focus back to hellenistic philosophy, they did not preserve that which had otherwise been lost as you seem to claim. |
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