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Late 90's and early 00's Modern/Avant Black Metal
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Late 90's and early 00's Modern/Avant Black Metal Reply with quote

The Satyricon thread and the rather lame discussion it inspired ignited a desire to go back and listen to some of the releases of this era. You can obviously trace some of the stylistic trademarks back to the early Thorns demos and later on stuff like Ved Buens Ende's Written In Waters. But it really culminated with Snorre's release from prison and the creation of the "Moonfog trinity": DHG's 666 International, Satyricon's Rebel Extravaganza and the absolute masterpiece that was the Thorns debut album. These weren't however the only attempts to break the boundaries of the genre. Mayhem released their much hated second album, Darkthrone tried their luck with Plaguewielder and so the list goes on...

Any favorite releases or memories from this period?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arcturus always rule in my book and La Masquerade and Sham Mirrors are masterpieces in my book. So glad I got to see them live even if Vortex was drunk and the sound was shite
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what you're looking for exactly but this is some of my favorite late 90s stuff (and I would say some of it definitely broke new grounds in the genre).

Kyprian's Circle - Noitatulen Vartija (some of the best symphonic black metal I've ever heard)
Obtained Enslavement - Witchcraft (same as above)
Nox Intempesta - Damnanus - Dominum
Aeternus - Beyond the Wandering Moon
Order of the Ebon Hand - The Mystic Path to the Netherworld
Niden Div. 187 - Impergium
Mysticum - In the Streams of Inferno
Frozen Shadows - Dans Les Bras Des Immortels
Hades - The Dawn of the Dying Sun
Inquisition - Into the Infernal Regions of the Ancient Cult
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really late 90's I suppose, but for the masters of "Avantgarde" black metal has always been Ved Buens Ende and In The Woods...

Some of the Enslaved stuff when they started smoking too much Viking grass was pretty cool too
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hefeystos comes to mind. Their "Vilce Sjen" EP was quite original. "Psycho Cafe" wasn't my cup of tea.

December's Fire is another band. Those two are probably lesser know acts then the ones already mentioned.

And I remember buying "A Kiss in the Charnel Fields" by Korova and hating it. Actually later DSO reminded me of Korova for some reason but I only heard that one album and it was back when it was released. Never followed the band's career so I could be wrong about the DSO comparison.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuck off the avantegarde experimental shit whatever shit really fuck right off.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Durathma wrote:
fuck off the avantegarde experimental shit whatever shit really fuck right off.


Someone should put this in their signature Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm not against experimentation in black metal but stuff that is widely considered or self-proclaimed avant-garde or "experimental" usually sucks.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obscureinfinity wrote:
Kyprian's Circle - Noitatulen Vartija (some of the best symphonic black metal I've ever heard)

Awesome ep! Reminds me of a stripped down Thy Serpent. When the Stormspirit spoke is nuts. It's not avant though.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avant garde to describe any music is pretentious enough as it is but whenever it's used to describe a black metal band's sound, it usually means that there's very little black metal involved. As far as I'm concerned, it's the equivalent of a band saying "hey we're not really going to play black metal but watch as I raspily scream over jazz fusion psychedelic shoegazer riffs."

More black metal musicians need to experiment within the genre they're trying to play instead of mixing and mashing with other genres.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DSS wrote:
Durathma wrote:
fuck off the avantegarde experimental shit whatever shit really fuck right off.
Someone should put this in their signature Laughing



Man yes please I wanna be famous and known around this forum please.

obscureinfinity wrote:
More black metal musicians need to experiment within the genre they're trying to play instead of mixing and mashing with other genres.


What???!!?!?!?! this actually makes sense wtf is going on this isnt right......
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



This record has some great moments. Weird sexually themed BM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FykQZ4iPVFA

"The Nymphs Will Pray for My Soul"
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Shit.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obscureinfinity wrote:
More black metal musicians need to experiment within the genre they're trying to play instead of mixing and mashing with other genres.


That is what "avant-garde" actually means. Fusing genres do not equate "avant-garde" at all. I've been involved in a few things that could be considered experimental over the years, for instance, but I don't think anyone would ever say I was doing "fusion".

Also, bitching about people experimenting within a genre is about as pointless as it gets. This isn't aimed at you, of course, but at our autistic friend above.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but would you say that self-proclaimed avant-garde metal bands really stick within their respective genres? I haven't really found that to be the case with most metal bands that file under avant-garde. Every black metal band that I can confidently say is doing something new and original with the genre doesn't tag themselves with an alternate label other than black metal. I'm of the opinion that it is still perfectly possible to be innovative within the confines of the genre's defining musical characteristics and aesthetics.
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