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mlotek



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: "Download to Purchase" Ratio Reply with quote

Vikare wrote:

Is everybody else in the same boat, with a external HD almost filled to the brim with mp3 files, some that you haven't even played before?

yeah, I got several hard drives and MAYBE 15-25% has been checked out, and yes, a lot of times I will either have already download or still will , in order to listen, sometime it is the rips I made of vinyls on initial listens.
Can't always be bothered to disconnect the tapedeck audio cables for the turntable's.

Almost never have bought digital/music files. They are not a tangible asset (a physical copy that can be sold/traded, that has worth).
I have had files disappear sometimes from my computer or hard drives and can't figure out how or why, so, if I don't have am actual disc , it's bogus, a total ripoff (usually software I buy, the company mails a disc for a small additional sum)

I've taken the route for buying from distros the last year or so, by checking the music out on youtube or the band's bandcamp / reverbnation / facebook / etc page, if I don't have a quick download,
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will do a blind buy like when I was a teenager and just starting to buy/collect, and the juvenile factors of "do the LP photos look cool? Is the band name / overall appearance cool? the cover art grabs my interest? etc etc"

A few bands I did that with, made me a huge fan immediately as soon as the needle dropped, like Throneum.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rarely download.

I just don't see the point. There's too much stuff I own, or stuff that I want that is readily available to bother with downloading tons of things.

I also don't seem to have the "holy shit, I've got to hear everything ever!" mentality that seemed to coincide with the rise of downloading. If I miss something, I miss something...no biggie, there's still more than enough for me to listen to...plus if I miss something that later turns out to be great, it gives me one more thing to "hunt" for, which is part of the fun.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

download: about 90-95%
purchase: about 5-10%

I only buy stuff I really like because I'm poor.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carlzilla wrote:
I rarely download.

I just don't see the point. There's too much stuff I own, or stuff that I want that is readily available to bother with downloading tons of things.

I also don't seem to have the "holy shit, I've got to hear everything ever!" mentality that seemed to coincide with the rise of downloading. If I miss something, I miss something...no biggie, there's still more than enough for me to listen to...plus if I miss something that later turns out to be great, it gives me one more thing to "hunt" for, which is part of the fun.


Agreed with everything here.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thus wrote:
Reading about Spotify... so you pay per month to stream music? What's on there, only music that was deliberately licensed to them by the artist/label, or do they have everything under the pirate sun? Is there more than just the mainstream surface of extreme metal?

Not that I'm gonna sign up... just wondering what it is.


There's plenty of good stuff on there, like Arghoslent for example. I'm not sure how the licensing works for UG bands like that, since I doubt their label nominated their releases to be on Spotify. They're supposed to be getting something like .1c per play or whatever.

I don't really care though, I own all their albums and just use Spotify to listen on my phone when I'm out. It's a good service for convenience and high quality streamed music (which you can save to your phone on WiFi at home to take with you). I can't be arsed searching ages to find a working download of an album I already have sitting on my shelf, so I just Spotify it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I download a tonne of shit. When I have money, I will buy the things that I like. Better having all the releases I like than having a kvlt kollection of shit that I can't stand.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with everyone who says they just feel absolutely no attachment to a digital file. I know it's childish but I need something physical I can touch, read, gawk at, and fetishize.

I don't download anything, ever. I was a rabid downloading faggot when I first got into metal. I wanted to hear every band, every album, old and new, just so I could have an opinion. Fuck that. I didn't retain any of it, and most of it was shit anyways because I hadn't really pinned down my tastes yet.

These days I don't listen to anything I don't own (thank you a million times, YK, for this Cloven Hoof tape) and I usually try not to even sample unless something is very expensive or I just have that nagging feeling that it won't be an enduring listen. This actually just happened, I almost bought Pharaoh's whole discog from NWN but the artwork just looked a little TOO slick and I decided to look up a few songs...dodged a bullet there. They should let Professor Black handle some (all) of the riffing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used to download tons of cd's. Got bored of it and somehow music lost something. Now I just buy cd's. Many times I even do not listen to stuff before I buy. I love the feeling when I get new cd by mail and I put it on my player first time ever to take a listen. It might be good, might be bad. Who cares. Usually they are pretty good, or even decent. Even they seem bad at a first listen, there might be something good found after few spins.

Like at the times before the internet, '90's... you could go to a record store and just pick a random album judging by the covers or how nasty the track titles were. Then went to home with almost shaking hands and sweaty and excited about what kind of record you have just bought.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breathlike Violence wrote:
I don't download anything, ever. I was a rabid downloading faggot when I first got into metal. I wanted to hear every band, every album, old and new, just so I could have an opinion. Fuck that. I didn't retain any of it, and most of it was shit anyways because I hadn't really pinned down my tastes yet.

Do you think that maybe those days helped you to develop a taste and understand what it is that you do want to pay money for?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't really say so, no. Almost everything I downloaded usually got ONE listen and then it was on to the next 17 new (to me) albums every day. A lot of terrible thrash and black metal also-rans. Stuff I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole these days, free paid or otherwise. No, I didn't really get a handle on my preferences until I started spending real money on a physical collection which made me slow down a lot and retain so much more. I'm not saying this is the "right" way to do things, because I sure as fuck have a LOT of terrible purchases that could have been avoided with a download or sample. It's just so much more fun to me when I finally find some life-affirming release and I didn't hear a note of it until it was in my hands.

I don't have any problem with downloading or people who do it. I just hate the mentality I was trapped in, that cycle of wanting to hear EVERY thing just to have some nonsense surface opinion with no real deeper understanding.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgonizedFinland wrote:

Like at the times before the internet, '90's... you could go to a record store and just pick a random album judging by the covers or how nasty the track titles were. Then went to home with almost shaking hands and sweaty and excited about what kind of record you have just bought.


YES!!! This is one of the reasons I still do "blind buys" from distros when I can afford it. The feeling of hearing a great album for the very first time cannot be replicated.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallucinogen wrote:
download: about 90-95%
purchase: about 5-10%

I only buy stuff I really like because I'm poor.


Demoniarch wrote:

As ridiculous as it sounds, and I scoff at it too... sometimes packaging wins the day for an album.
I won't pretend to be some elitist where some bands are more worthy, there are many great albums, so there has to be a method to which wins purchase... and when the music is often on par, it comes down to either availability or packaging aesthetics.


These. I like spending the little money I have on beer and food. Also, I've always been kind of a freeloader Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hallucinogen wrote:
download: about 90-95%
purchase: about 5-10%

I only buy stuff I really like because I'm poor.

Same here. The only time when I'm able to buy physical copies of the albums I want are on my birthday and Christmas, so my download to purchase ratio is just as high as yours, perhaps even higher.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breathlike Violence wrote:
I wouldn't really say so, no. Almost everything I downloaded usually got ONE listen and then it was on to the next 17 new (to me) albums every day. A lot of terrible thrash and black metal also-rans. Stuff I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole these days, free paid or otherwise. No, I didn't really get a handle on my preferences until I started spending real money on a physical collection which made me slow down a lot and retain so much more. I'm not saying this is the "right" way to do things, because I sure as fuck have a LOT of terrible purchases that could have been avoided with a download or sample. It's just so much more fun to me when I finally find some life-affirming release and I didn't hear a note of it until it was in my hands.

I don't have any problem with downloading or people who do it. I just hate the mentality I was trapped in, that cycle of wanting to hear EVERY thing just to have some nonsense surface opinion with no real deeper understanding.

I hear ya. My roommate downloaded some file called "Black Metal II" or some shit like that to try and get a better understanding. Countless MB of various black metal bands deemed worthy of being on the illicit compilation, mostly stuff that just scratches the surface like Taake and Agalloch..

"You fucking idiot, you expect to enjoy black metal with that much at your disposal?". Total weiner move. Any time I've ever picked up more than one album by a band, I haven't had to patience to give it the time it deserves. Buying albums pretty much forces you into this, unless you are rich.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carlzilla wrote:
I rarely download.

I just don't see the point. There's too much stuff I own, or stuff that I want that is readily available to bother with downloading tons of things.

I also don't seem to have the "holy shit, I've got to hear everything ever!" mentality that seemed to coincide with the rise of downloading. If I miss something, I miss something...no biggie, there's still more than enough for me to listen to...plus if I miss something that later turns out to be great, it gives me one more thing to "hunt" for, which is part of the fun.


Well put.
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