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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Summoning Anti-NSBM Remarks Reply with quote

I'm just curious what you guys think of this. He makes some good points.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he makes a valid and intelligent statement on where the band stands, very unlike a lot of the one sided ANTIFA type liberal crap.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tl;dr. but he has my total support. I hate to see this NSBM idiocy spreading, and what's worse is that metal-heads in general seem to suck at standing up for democratic and humane politics. it's probably all the tough/evil/extreme posturing that makes it so easy for racists to mingle with your run-of-the-mill extreme-metal listener. after all what's more extreme than racism? and it's not only the bland NS worshiping that worries me, it's also the more subtle anti-modern/pan-European/Slavonic pride/pagan revival etc. bullshit. lots of that crap cites racist ideologues like Evola, perverts work by philosophers like Nietzsche and Heidegger or offers some cookie-cutter 'pagan' religious awakening 'because that is what our ancestors believed' (implicitly this is often a blood-ancestry argument, as if there was a proper religion for people based on where their DNA comes from). most of this crap is just too chickenshit to just flat out say 'we're racist'. or lingering in that grey area also makes one 'interesting' and 'edgy'. just like a lot of the related Neofolk/etc crap that often uses similar tactics.

tl;dr. I agree with the guy. and I'm speaking from a German perspective. I expect it to be a bit different from country to country.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think NS ideology in metal music varies from band to band and the whole thing gets way over-simplified when targeted for bashing. Also, since when does a band's concept or angle they take in their music have to make total perfect sense historically, politically, ideologically, creatively or otherwise? Its metal not a fucking college thesis paper.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heritage not hate!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no but im seriously wondering what these fascist people think about say the south american scene? Do they write off all the good metal music from non whites? how far do they take their ideology?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a preference for either is lame. It all depends on the art, not whether or not someone is a fascist.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nektostiknekromessikk wrote:
no but im seriously wondering what these fascist people think about say the south american scene? Do they write off all the good metal music from non whites? how far do they take their ideology?

There are South American nationalists and national socialists as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BENEDICTINE PALPITATIONS wrote:
I think NS ideology in metal music varies from band to band and the whole thing gets way over-simplified when targeted for bashing. Also, since when does a band's concept or angle they take in their music have to make total perfect sense historically, politically, ideologically, creatively or otherwise? Its metal not a fucking college thesis paper.


it doesn't, but you understand that just saying 'It's all metal' allows everyone to spread their filth. that is what happens most of the time. I don't know where you're from, but for Germany I'd say people would do well to be aware and not tolerate nazis occupying new places in society.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nektostiknekromessikk wrote:
no but im seriously wondering what these fascist people think about say the south american scene? Do they write off all the good metal music from non whites? how far do they take their ideology?

hahaha blasphemy probably sucks to them as well
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racism :

The irrational fear based mechanism of hatred is put up as a shield of defense to face what is unkown or misunderstood of others.
If there was no fear there would be no hate.

Since fear is all weakness. Racism is a weakness for simple minded folk to suffer. If they embraced some intellectual capacity they would be unable to continue with the hatred due to simple plain universal truths. With the power of those insights and truths they could no longer fear, and since fear would be unable to take root, hatred no longer could exist as a defense for the irrational initial fear.

Human nature seems to support more irrational behaviour than enlightenment though. It's as if you have to fight a certain programming your entire life to earn some escape from the system into something greater.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pataphysicien wrote:
BENEDICTINE PALPITATIONS wrote:
I think NS ideology in metal music varies from band to band and the whole thing gets way over-simplified when targeted for bashing. Also, since when does a band's concept or angle they take in their music have to make total perfect sense historically, politically, ideologically, creatively or otherwise? Its metal not a fucking college thesis paper.


it doesn't, but you understand that just saying 'It's all metal' allows everyone to spread their filth. that is what happens most of the time. I don't know where you're from, but for Germany I'd say people would do well to be aware and not tolerate nazis occupying new places in society.


Hah. Underground metal is a platform for major threats towards society? I get where your argument is coming from. Nazi = BAD. No Nazi = GOOD. Thats all fine or whatever, but Nazis aren't the only political group with national-socialist ideals either. You can't save the world by going on a crusade to cleanse a underground music scene of "FILTH". If what the Nazis did to the world ever happened again, it wouldn't be under the banner of Nazism.

No, I am not a Nazi. They were finished after WWII if I remember correctly. Before anyone says it no, I am not a Neo-Nazi either. I just think the moaning about this in metal is always way off base and retarded.

Anyways, all these arguments are so old and tired. Its always a lose/lose situation with these things. I'm not trying to change anyones mind. Puting the soapbox away now... Bye.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i encounter people with extreme ideologies, it reminds me exactly of religious fervor or "faith" - it always seems like they've somewhat arbitrarily concocted these codified stances to protect themselves and to define their standing in the world. it's sort of like building a wall around yourself. it's a compulsion to define oneself in totally polarized terms, where everything has a definite right/wrong answer so finding answers is easier. i don't look down on people like this because i know they're just struggling to deal with their own reality. i may not agree with their tenets, but i can tolerate their need for perspective to a degree, especially if they're not bothering me.

reality is far too weird and unpredictable to be defined in simple black and white terms.
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