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Candlemass
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| Mikael wrote: | | Candlemass wrote: | | Mikael wrote: | | ...that had zero connection with industrial side of the band... |
There is no "industrial" in Mysticum's music. Period. A drum machine <> "Industrial". |
Of course not in the way as you see industrial itself as a genre and maybe I'm wrong, but aren't they often considered as one of the first "industrial black metal" bands? |
By ignorants who don't know jack shit about Industrial, yes. |
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Mikael
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Candlemass wrote: | | Mikael wrote: | | Candlemass wrote: | | Mikael wrote: | | ...that had zero connection with industrial side of the band... |
There is no "industrial" in Mysticum's music. Period. A drum machine <> "Industrial". |
Of course not in the way as you see industrial itself as a genre and maybe I'm wrong, but aren't they often considered as one of the first "industrial black metal" bands? |
By ignorants who don't know jack shit about Industrial, yes. |
Maybe yes, I don't know shit about industrial as a genre myself, but please notice that I'm only mentioning how they've been labeled for years, it's not like I came here and labeled them to be industrial black metal. |
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Candlemass
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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I get it. Most of my friends are "Metal only!!" and don't know shit about anything else. But it still makes me sick seeing that some retards seem to believe that 2 playing 2 notes on a synth is "Ambient" or that playing some metal shit with a drum machine is "Industrial". It's just as annoying as when we see these hipster kids talking about "true black metal" when refering to Wolves in the Throne Room, or Mystic Circle or HIM and shit. It is THAT ignorant.
Most metal fans seem to think they know everything and everbody else is an idiot, but most of the time they make complete fools of themselves in the eyes of people who actually KNOW better. |
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Mikael
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand. I just think the cover is very good, there's the Industries of Inferno, Where the Raven Flies, crypt, grave, etc. |
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Robb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Mikael wrote: | | Robb wrote: |
But Iīd still buy it if it wasnīt for the Cradle of filth-cover. |
Have you seen the full cover? Fits perfectly for album like this, factory burning human masses, all kind of death industries, Mysticum-flags, something an album like this really should have instead of some oil-painting like the original, that had zero connection with industrial side of the band. Great artwork, sometimes it's crazy how people hates all Photoshopping, you really think some pencil goats on the cover would be more fitting? For some albums sure, but this is a perfect artwork for an album like this. |
Oil-painting? The original has a photo, not an oil-painting.
Yes I hate photoshop. Guess Iīm old-fashioned, hehe
But why do you need all those ravens and chimneys on the cover?
People with a little imiganitation can get those images in their own minds, no need to spell everything out in this super-cliched way.
Can agree it somehow works in a very goofy way though.
Anyway, Planet Satan is coming! Thatīs the most important. |
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Perverted Priest
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure but I think Mysticum themselves have labeled their style as "industrial black metal". And industrial music is their main source of inspiration, rather than traditional metal. But of course, here we have alpha and omega of industrial music who listened to that genre in the early 70s, even earlier most likely, and knows better. Sorry, Mysticum is just an "atmospheric black metal" with a drum-machine SOUNDING LIKE programmed drums we heard 1,000 times before and after, our mistake.
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Mikael
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Robb wrote: |
Oil-painting? The original has a photo, not an oil-painting.
Yes I hate photoshop. Guess Iīm old-fashioned, hehe
But why do you need all those ravens and chimneys on the cover?
People with a little imiganitation can get those images in their own minds, no need to spell everything out in this super-cliched way.
Can agree it somehow works in a very goofy way though.
Anyway, Planet Satan is coming! Thatīs the most important. |
I've never notice it's a picture, had the original cd years ago, but traded it away, for some reason always though it was a painting and not a photo. Still, never understood what the shore had to do with the streams, so didn't really like the artwork. I'm not a huge fan of photoshop-artworks myself either, but for some reason I do like this and think it's very fitting. But as said, just a matter of taste. |
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Robb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, sort of looks like a painting.
I think they simply should have used one of the old band-photos or something.
(No pencil-drawn goats.)
Would have saved this photo-shop guy thousands of hours and 3000 layers as well;) |
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Candlemass
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Perverted Priest wrote: | | I'm not sure but I think Mysticum themselves have labeled their style as "industrial black metal". And industrial music is their main source of inspiration, rather than traditional metal. But of course, here we have alpha and omega of industrial music who listened to that genre in the early 70s, even earlier most likely, and knows better. Sorry, Mysticum is just an "atmospheric black metal" with a drum-machine SOUNDING LIKE programmed drums we heard 1,000 times before and after, our mistake. |
Thanks for proving my point, faggot. Ignorance is "strength" I guess. |
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Blutkvlt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Industrial pioneers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jElCPYN1fu4
I like Mysticum, but they have nothing to do with actually industrial, but then again, much labeled "industrial" doesn't either. Plus "industrial black metal" sounds much better than "black metal with some techno beats".
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hope you are joking...  This is industrial for 15 year old goths
That's what I always viewed as representative industrial sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEJUQJ4kfAE
Still sounds so raw after all these years!! 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Industrial is a movement, not a genre. It encompasses everything from Noise music and Power Electronics to EBM and Electro. Mysticum have more than enough The Klinik-esque elements to be considered "Industrial inspired". So please get off your high horsies and take it easy.
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Candlemass
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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EBM and Electro? Fuck, Industrial is as doomed as black metal was after '95.
ps. I'd really like to read how Vivenza or throbbing Gristle are related to shit like IDM and EBM. |
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