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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't take a better photo? haha
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CR99 wrote:


thoughts/info? (not mine)


Personally think it's bootleg. Artwork looks like badly xeroxed and tapes likes this are everywhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also the paper looks rather clean for a Brazilian tape from that era.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 100% sure this is a dubbed tape/cover.
If you need it, I can provide you a photo of the original cover; just let me know your e-mail address, and later I will send it to you (instead, my cassette is not original, it's a commercial tape since at that time I did send a blank tape to the
band, and them did fill it with both their 2 demo tapes, but also did sent me both original covers, of course!)
CR99 wrote:

thoughts/info? (not mine)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah that's what I thought as well. Thanks
It was a trade offer to me but I guess I'd rather not.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CR99 wrote:
Yeah that's what I thought as well. Thanks
It was a trade offer to me but I guess I'd rather not.

No, don't trade it unless the tape owner agreed to accept another dubbed tape in trade Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know if this one is original?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wizardgtr wrote:
KŽjser ÷ccˇlt wrote:
Naisen Ketsu wrote:
I feel so stupid now! Bought these from a dude on Discogs/NWN! who has had some distro maybe so I thought I could trust him. Paid thru Paypal as a friend (big mistake?!)

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EDIT:

Seller claims they are 100% original.

"Yes I am easly say that they are %100 original.

I even don't remember if they look old or not but they are in my garage more than 15 years maybe. All I can say I have kept them so well. (...)

Specially the Dismal Euphony tape, I got them from the band many years back. Ole was the name of the guy as I remember. This is all I can remember about the tape. K.C... Trust me I don't remember anything about it but I used to make many orders from the No Colours Records since it has been active so probably I got it from there but no clear record of it."

and

"(...) have changed the cassette tape boxes cause they were totally crap. Waiting in a dead airless area made them degenerated."

Yeah I'm on the same boat with you.

Bought the two Osgiliath demos from him that I've been looking for ages. Alarm bells started to ring when he didn't remove the tapes from his lists (which he constantly upped) and also kept selling the same tapes through discogs.

But I had the shipping confirmation so I just kept silent and waited for tapes to arrive. And then...

Probably the worst quality fakes I've received in a long time. Tapes were brand new white ones like yours, but the artworks were the real butchery. New, xeroxed miscut pieces of paper that didn't even contain all the pages of the booklets (which can easily be found online). The other cover was probably just taken from a screenshot of some youtube-video because it was cropped in a shape more like a square than a rectangle of a tape cover. It didn't fit inside the case and of course looked just plain nasty.

For me he told that "he really thought that they were originals" and if I'm telling they're not I should go and find for him pics of the originals so he could see them himself.

I paypal-claimed, he disputed telling he wants his tapes back. So good like for the next one who falls in the traps of his 100% positive discogs-rating. All this time he's been selling the same tapes on discogs, just stopped upping his sale-list on this forum.


Is it this guy?

https://www.discogs.com/seller/yarkadin78/profile


YES, it's him.
Stay away from Kyle Hinson aka Cem Yucel / Yarkadin78 / Forgotten Woods Order!
As we can all see, he is a seasoned bootlegger scum.

I was able to get him refund just enough money that I won't sleep my night's sleep because of this but, damn, it was a hustle. But a lesson has been learned as this was my first ever scam in my +10 years of buying records...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: CHALICE (SWE) Demo Reply with quote

Someone have the first and only Chalice (SWE) demo called "Evil Mental Cold Winter".
I have never seen this demo!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a topic regarding demo authenticity, not wants, thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes dude, I know...in fact I did not write if there is someone who sells hehehe
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Eh?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it's a dub/copy of the original. The inlay looks like it has gone through xerox. But of course not 100% sure but does not look as sharp as my copy.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't consider myself to be knowledgeable on BM tapes so could someone explain some of the norms to me.

When a label sends X amount of a limited cassette release to another distro or label is it common to only send the numbered J-cards and let the label dub on to whatever cassettes they happen to be using?

For instance I just received a Werewolf Promotion / DTB release from Lower Silesian Stronghold with no number filled in on the J card (clearly a pro-printed card, not a xerox) and the cassette itself has labels that just say side one and two with the LSS logo on them.
Similar thing with am Abyssic Hate cassette, just this time with a number filled in.

What's up with that?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GBK goat tape is going to be tough to authenticate as there are no markings and no specific tapes that were used, every copy I've seen has been on a different brand tape.

Also who knows if the band made copies of copies as they pressed up more to be spread.

I would say 2 things could help: 1. If the cassette was a brand that was available in the USA in the 90s. 2. Figure where the tape originated from or buy from someone who was around during the time of release.
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