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Steken

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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Excellent work, thank you! |
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eighthplague Guest
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Thank the fellow a few pages back who realized it. That was brilliant. |
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Under Command
Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Posts: 1498 Location: Down there
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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But how did it end to be deformed on the live in leipzig LP ?! |
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nonwave

Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 1690 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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whoever made it probably just had a dub made on a shitty tape deck or whatever. these things happen all the time.
i have tons of older bootlegs that are at the wrong speed . . . you can tell because the shit sounds too slow, the voice is obviously too low, etc., and the songs are clearly in the wrong key. that was certainly the case here. i'm not surprised at all. _________________ http://www.ugEXPLODE.com
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the coming of blood angel

Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 941
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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It probably has to do with the medium they recorded on from the soundboard.
Or Obscure Plasma mastered the original from a crappy second generation tape. I don't know the details. |
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Rósachd
Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 242
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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But Leipzig was hardly a bootleg and Mayhem arn't just some underground unknown band. After all these years, surely they must have thought: Wow, this sounds like shit. |
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eighthplague Guest
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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It was actually fairly close to the original speed anyway. It was only off by about one half step. If you listen to the sample of what I corrected, it's not so different that it's extremely noticeable, but after listening to it corrected, it's hard to listen to the old version. It stands out in hindsight. |
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nonwave

Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 1690 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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it actually sounds like night and day.
a lot of times in the 70s, some jazz records were sped up a little in the cutting phase to make them snap harder. i realized i've been imitating sped-up free jazz drummers since i was a kid. cf. dave holland's "conference of the birds". you can tell because the bass players leaned a lot on the open strings . . . _________________ http://www.ugEXPLODE.com
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NK7 banned
Joined: 07 Oct 2012 Posts: 1326 Location: Beograd, Srbija
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 1:47 am Post subject: |
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the coming of blood angel wrote: |
Or Obscure Plasma mastered the original from a crappy second generation tape. I don't know the details. |
I just asked Roberto, he says it was mastered from a dub. So that explains it I guess. _________________ Permabanned |
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Valgrinder

Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 1186 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 2:30 am Post subject: |
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It can also be that audio is ripped from source as 48khz but next dude, who did mastering didnt knew that and handled the audio as "normal" 44.1khz. One cant know the difference if havent heard the original as reference.
It sounds then little weird, muddy and tiny bit slower but can fool many. I almost fucked my masters with that misunderstanding _________________ Mors fennico more |
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dildo shop burglar

Joined: 04 Jan 2011 Posts: 317 Location: oslo by night
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Pretty odd if the record is really sourced from a or late generation tape since Euro/Mayhem sent that recording out quite a bit back in '91 as far as I can gather. Strange if the one that ended up at Obscure Plasma didn't come from him. But then again, the record was initially a bootleg, no?
Anyway: If I were to speculate (which I will in the remainder of this paragraph) I would guess something was off with the Leipzig tape recorder that a) recorder the show or b) that was used to copy Euro's OG tape, unless he brought the actual "master" home with him. (Of course, this might be the very same recorder.) I know Mayhem didn't bring their own tape machine on that tour and since the Zeitz tape doesn't sound the same, this sounds probable to me.
This means: Possibly somewhere in Germany there is an "original" tape that either plays in Eb or E. Also, possibly not.
Does anyone have any idea if the other bands that played that night were recorded in any form? Also, let's not forget: The aborted Izmir show (side note: what's with three out of four shows on this tour being played in a city with a Z in the name?) MIGHT exist on a tape somewhere: Euro had asked the sound man to record the show, but no tape surfaced post the show, so we don't really know. _________________
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Speerhead
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:11 am Post subject: |
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nonwave wrote: | it actually sounds like night and day.
a lot of times in the 70s, some jazz records were sped up a little in the cutting phase to make them snap harder. i realized i've been imitating sped-up free jazz drummers since i was a kid. cf. dave holland's "conference of the birds". you can tell because the bass players leaned a lot on the open strings . . . |
Isn't this something Immortal also did on their first two albums? If so, the idea was out there among those guys. Maybe it was a deliberate experiment on Euronymous part, obsessed as he was with being the 'most extreme.' |
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Frozen

Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 2637
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:12 am Post subject: |
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So he deliberately made the recording slower? |
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Zombie Dance
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 1691
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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:09 am Post subject: |
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dildo shop burglar wrote: | But then again, the record was initially a bootleg, no?
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It wasn't. The deal between Roberto and Euronymous was : Live in Leipzig to be released under Obscure Plasma Records with Mayhem not getting a single penny for it VS Roberto agreeing to let Euronymous release "In absentia Christii" on Deathlike silence Productions. |
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Wolfsturm888

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Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Hm, my Mayhem "live in Leipzig" LP isn´t sounding any worse since someone discovered this "phenomenom". I love it´s brutal sound, the way it is. |
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