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GSA



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weltering in Blood wrote:
Korpinen wrote:
The last ever interview with Jon Nödtveidt is the best thing about this book. Overall the book is very interesting and good but the one chapter with that gender study approach almost ruins the whole thing. I mean, they actually went to interview (mostly) random female fans about how it was to be a girl/woman in the 90s Swedish metal scene. "Now let's see, we have these chapters on Kvarforth, Nifelheim, Nödtveidt, Watain, Bathory, hmmm, I'm sure a chapter on female fans would sit quite nicely with those!"


Well, this is Sweden. It wouldn't be that without a good dose of feminism.

By the way, if interested, I found the court's judgement on Jon and 'Vlad'. It's an interesting read. None of them come out of it looking too good.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1f9fpghuf8pszz7


Translation, please! Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original post: London is always an alien place. I hate it there more than any other city here, there's a wider metal scene there but only because it's bigger and is the capital.

I get your point though. We're more passive and reserved and the only people that I'm aware of who 'live' their music taste are the ones trying too hard.

The book sounds good though, I'd like to see it translated into English.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I asked about translation some 5-6 months ago, and this was the reply:
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Hi!
Sorry for the late reply! We are working on getting the book translated as we speak. I'll try to remember to keep you posted!
Ika


Great! Seems like an interesting book.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

passetiermes wrote:
I asked about translation some 5-6 months ago, and this was the reply:
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Hi!
Sorry for the late reply! We are working on getting the book translated as we speak. I'll try to remember to keep you posted!
Ika


Great news!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Solitude wrote:
passetiermes wrote:
I asked about translation some 5-6 months ago, and this was the reply:
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Hi!
Sorry for the late reply! We are working on getting the book translated as we speak. I'll try to remember to keep you posted!
Ika


Great news!


Aye and hopefully a few additional things in this newer edition!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to an English language version of this.

Returning to Weltering in Blood's initial comments I think much of this comes down to class. I have a friend who's recently married a Swede (not the vegetable) and has been there a few times to meet her folks et cetera. His impression was that Sweden was much more 'middle class' than the UK: people seemed better educated and there were much fewer signs of the mindless anti-social behaviour and rudery that is common on the streets of many British cities (he'd just spent three years at Uni in Wolverhampton, so he knows what he's talking about in this regard). I guess Scandinavian countries didn't really industrialise on the scale of the UK during the nineteenth century so they don't have an enormous residual working class, who at the end of the day are the most likely to the beat the shit out of people for being 'different'. That's why I have a firearms licence and live in the country!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People interested in that subject should check out this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Builders-Historical-Anthropology-Middle/dp/0813512395
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wormwood wrote:
Returning to Weltering in Blood's initial comments I think much of this comes down to class. I have a friend who's recently married a Swede (not the vegetable) and has been there a few times to meet her folks et cetera. His impression was that Sweden was much more 'middle class' than the UK: people seemed better educated and there were much fewer signs of the mindless anti-social behaviour and rudery that is common on the streets of many British cities (he'd just spent three years at Uni in Wolverhampton, so he knows what he's talking about in this regard). I guess Scandinavian countries didn't really industrialise on the scale of the UK during the nineteenth century so they don't have an enormous residual working class, who at the end of the day are the most likely to the beat the shit out of people for being 'different'.


These words hold some degree of truth.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britain is class society.
About the book, I bought a copy when it came out while in Stockholm. I was lucky enough to see it featured on TV and newspaper as well.
Any news on English version of the book ? I understand a bit of Swedish, not good enough to read the book.
I read the chapter about Dead in English on internet somewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing is that we, Frogs, consider British and ergo Germanic populations as bein more open-minded and tolerant. Something coming from their Protestant roots?

It seems to us that looks and appearances are less of a problem than in France where you are looked upon in disdain if you are different and dress different.

A metalhead in Germany or the UK or Scandinavia would not be considered as a weirdo (so we think) something to shun or to be afraid of. My own experience in the Southern England (Wessex, Sussex, Essex) has taught me that you would see much more weird/original/different looks than in Paris and people wouldnt even notice it. It felt like you could dress the way you want and nobody would give you a look of disapproval or even stare at you. That renown Anglo-Saxon open-mindedness. Or was it just a London thing?
In Paris, that so-called great artsy capital, everybody basically looks the same and if you're dressed in a different way people will stare at you. Cool if you're 16, annoying and boring if you're 30...


Concerning music, we dont get as much help as in Sweden but still you can find a lot of decent clean affordable places to rehearse even in suburban towns and you can get some funds (small) from local/regional councils to record music etc. The result? 99% of the bands are SHITE. And suburban rehearsal places are filled with miserable insignificant crappy "bands"
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valgrinder wrote:

Maybe after ABBA swedish goverment noticed that investing in musick isnt bad thing afterall? And seems like it worked quite well, just check what they procuded from death metal to eurodisco


Governments shouldn't support any economic activity. This is why the Scandinavian countries are in so much debt, with such little production. If you throw money at kids to become musicians, they will be musicians. If the government wasn't there to support them, they would be forced to get productive jobs and boost their economy, decreasing the debt, and the need for social welfare programs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valgrinder wrote:
Maybe after ABBA swedish goverment noticed that investing in musick isnt bad thing afterall? And seems like it worked quite well, just check what they procuded from death metal to eurodisco


Surely, for us as fans (and maybe musicians ourselves), official support for artists is not a bad thing, of course.

But if a state supports musicians, they are not only supporting the worthy ones, but also the ones who don't deserve it and they are only out for a quick success, with copying already reliably used patterns.

There's no "natural selection" anymore, so to speak. That's why Sweden just flooded the market with a lot of useless shite in the last two decades.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone elaborate please. The Swedish government funds rehearsal spaces and equipment entirely? Partially? As well as recordings?

Does this happen in Norway and Finland as well?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADK wrote:


There's no "natural selection" anymore, so to speak. That's why Sweden just flooded the market with a lot of useless shite in the last two decades.


That's socialism for you... a system that benefits unproductive parasites and creates the incentive for them to stay that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.aske wrote:
ADK wrote:


There's no "natural selection" anymore, so to speak. That's why Sweden just flooded the market with a lot of useless shite in the last two decades.


That's socialism for you... a system that benefits unproductive parasites and creates the incentive for them to stay that way.


which is why Norway is a failed state and Sweden has more unemployment that Greece.

Oh, wait...Norway is the richest country in the world and Sweden seemed to miss the GFC memo. Smile

joking aside, seeing as we were talking about class, it's an interesting look at what a possible post-scarcity society might look like. If money is not an issue, why not fund people's strange artistic endeavours? To construct an argument against this, we get into the area of "all good art comes from struggle", "natural selection" etc. which has some merit as an argument, but you could just as easily say that some of the potentially best artists in their fields have given up or died young because of lack of money/shitty lifestyle/need to work a full-time dayjob etc.

I'm not coming down on either side (aside from the obvious fact that I'd rather live in Norway than Sierra Leone - if sub-par metal is a worry to you, you have a pretty decent life by any objective standard)
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