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Stalinorgel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, totally.

And how can you fuck up something PROFOUNDLY inherent to the TERROR of the original like that a random group of faceless and innocent 80ies-kids is exposed to absolute SENSELESS evil?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
Ok, I TRIED to watch this "Evil Dead" 2013 and I had to stop after ca. 20minutes, or better said, I clicked myself trailer-like through the rest.

It begins with a straight out stolen sequence from Shining, then comes a blatant TCM "homage", and this bunch of pseudo-cool/tough adolescents with this stupid (!!!) drug-addiction background and "family problems" and so on and on....no thanks.

Maybe this movie and his "new approach" may please others, but any TRUE fan of the original can't seriously enjoy that.

thanks for saving 90 minutes of my life. they could just label it "rob zombie" version, so people know its gonna be shit.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FP

Holy shit what an awesomely stupid movie. Laughed from start to finish. If you have really stupid taste in crap movies, check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQrhqW4hX0
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endsieg wrote:
Stalinorgel wrote:
Ok, I TRIED to watch this "Evil Dead" 2013 and I had to stop after ca. 20minutes, or better said, I clicked myself trailer-like through the rest.

It begins with a straight out stolen sequence from Shining, then comes a blatant TCM "homage", and this bunch of pseudo-cool/tough adolescents with this stupid (!!!) drug-addiction background and "family problems" and so on and on....no thanks.

Maybe this movie and his "new approach" may please others, but any TRUE fan of the original can't seriously enjoy that.

thanks for saving 90 minutes of my life. they could just label it "rob zombie" version, so people know its gonna be shit.


I hate everything Rob Zombie has done. I loved the "Evil Dead" remake. Obviously it's going to be shit if you constantly try to compare it to the original. Just enjoy it for what it is, a very effective horror film released in 2013. I mean, you didn't stop buying black metal albums in 1994, did you? The film has been approved (and produced) by Sam Raimi (who probably doesn't give a shit about money now that he's directed stuff like "Spiderman" and "Drag Me to Hell") AND Bruce Campbell. What else do you need? There's a thin line between being a purist and being silly that's crossed way too easily sometimes, methinks.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endsieg wrote:
Stalinorgel wrote:
Ok, I TRIED to watch this "Evil Dead" 2013 and I had to stop after ca. 20minutes, or better said, I clicked myself trailer-like through the rest.

It begins with a straight out stolen sequence from Shining, then comes a blatant TCM "homage", and this bunch of pseudo-cool/tough adolescents with this stupid (!!!) drug-addiction background and "family problems" and so on and on....no thanks.

Maybe this movie and his "new approach" may please others, but any TRUE fan of the original can't seriously enjoy that.

thanks for saving 90 minutes of my life. they could just label it "rob zombie" version, so people know its gonna be shit.

Don't be silly and watch it for yourself. It's just a really good movie and worthy addition to the Evil Dead series.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:

I hate everything Rob Zombie has done. I loved the "Evil Dead" remake. Obviously it's going to be shit if you constantly try to compare it to the original. Just enjoy it for what it is, a very effective horror film released in 2013. I mean, you didn't stop buying black metal albums in 1994, did you? The film has been approved (and produced) by Sam Raimi (who probably doesn't give a shit about money now that he's directed stuff like "Spiderman" and "Drag Me to Hell") AND Bruce Campbell. What else do you need? There's a thin line between being a purist and being silly that's crossed way too easily sometimes, methinks.


I've tried watching remakes and let them pass as "a new movie", it never worked. and "teens with family problems" is the kill criteria. rob zombie trying to explore Michael Myers reasons to kill had me throw up first, followed by epilepsy and a three week coma.

Evil Dead was a movie that everyone heard about back in the day, but only few had it and when we finally managed to get hold of a VHS copy, everyone gathered at a friend's house to watch it while parents were absent. this took about four months planning. I could rip ED2013 in four hours I guess, and I'd watch it on my macbook, alone.

it compares to being a metalhead in 1985 and being a "metalhead" 2010.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, I doesn't matter much to me if Raimi and Campbell "approved" this (= they are looking forward to their royalty-cheques). Even though they may have enough money by now, MORE money is always welcome.

They are not the same persons now as back then, we know this from various musicians as well, especially in Norway. Or from bands that think it's a good idea to re-record their classic albums.

From all the post-2000 horror-remakes, only the first TCM and The Hills Have Eyes were acceptable. The rest was total bullshit and this one fits in well.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last movie I saw Reservoir Dogs, and before that I watched Begotten.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are so radical Rolling Eyes "The Hills Have Eyes" was remade by one of the biggest opportunists in the horror industry, and it's not different from the remake of "Evil Dead." It's good for what it is, an efficient horror film. But it's so much less interesting than the remake of the "Evil Dead" (maybe due to the fact the original sucked in the first place.)

And of course a remake made in 201x is going to include issues that are different from the ones in the 80's, society changes. There's no need to shoot a remake if it has to be exactly the same as 20-30-40 years ago, most people who'll watch the film won't be able to relate to anything in it, and that's not the point. You can't get scared if you can't identify with the characters in the slightest.

And Endsieg, I do know what it feels like to not be able to rent "Brain Dead/Dead Alive" from the video-rental store because you're too young, and to have to wait for months until one of your friends manages to get a VHS copy or something, and watch it all in awe late at night with them, etc...

If you guys want to live stuck in the past, fair enough, that's your problem.

I watched "My Neighbour Totoro" last night and "See No Evil" and "Total Recall" the night before.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endsieg wrote:
Haunt In The Dark wrote:

I hate everything Rob Zombie has done. I loved the "Evil Dead" remake. Obviously it's going to be shit if you constantly try to compare it to the original. Just enjoy it for what it is, a very effective horror film released in 2013. I mean, you didn't stop buying black metal albums in 1994, did you? The film has been approved (and produced) by Sam Raimi (who probably doesn't give a shit about money now that he's directed stuff like "Spiderman" and "Drag Me to Hell") AND Bruce Campbell. What else do you need? There's a thin line between being a purist and being silly that's crossed way too easily sometimes, methinks.


I've tried watching remakes and let them pass as "a new movie", it never worked. and "teens with family problems" is the kill criteria. rob zombie trying to explore Michael Myers reasons to kill had me throw up first, followed by epilepsy and a three week coma.

Evil Dead was a movie that everyone heard about back in the day, but only few had it and when we finally managed to get hold of a VHS copy, everyone gathered at a friend's house to watch it while parents were absent. this took about four months planning. I could rip ED2013 in four hours I guess, and I'd watch it on my macbook, alone.

it compares to being a metalhead in 1985 and being a "metalhead" 2010.
So much nostalgia in this post.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:
You guys are so radical Rolling Eyes "The Hills Have Eyes" was remade by one of the biggest opportunists in the horror industry, and it's not different from the remake of "Evil Dead." It's good for what it is, an efficient horror film. But it's so much less interesting than the remake of the "Evil Dead" (maybe due to the fact the original sucked in the first place.).


Wrong.

The quality of "The Hills Have Eyes" Remake was that it only changed one big flaw of the original: Characters you can emphasize with. The Carter-family in the original was BADLY played, in the remake you had good actors so the sheer TERROR was more realistic as in the original. Besides this, it stayed close to the original.

And by the way: No clue how it was in France, but where Endsieg and me live the "Evil Dead" was BANNED for years since the mid-80ies, it wasn't an age issue, the movie was BLACKLISTED for whatever reasons. "Braindead" never was banned, as far as I know. And it was about ten years later, that movie is just a gory comedy, not more or less. You can't compare it with "Evil Dead".

And now get over it, we just hate that shit movie. We don't have any problem with that, but you seem to.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Dead was banned in Finland too until the censorship law was removed 12 years ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like The Hills Have Eyes, and Piranha remakes. Alexandre Aja does gore effects better than most. Neil Marshall is heaps of fun too.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
Haunt In The Dark wrote:
You guys are so radical Rolling Eyes "The Hills Have Eyes" was remade by one of the biggest opportunists in the horror industry, and it's not different from the remake of "Evil Dead." It's good for what it is, an efficient horror film. But it's so much less interesting than the remake of the "Evil Dead" (maybe due to the fact the original sucked in the first place.).


Wrong.

The quality of "The Hills Have Eyes" Remake was that it only changed one big flaw of the original: Characters you can emphasize with. The Carter-family in the original was BADLY played, in the remake you had good actors so the sheer TERROR was more realistic as in the original. Besides this, it stayed close to the original.

And by the way: No clue how it was in France, but where Endsieg and me live the "Evil Dead" was BANNED for years since the mid-80ies, it wasn't an age issue, the movie was BLACKLISTED for whatever reasons. "Braindead" never was banned, as far as I know. And it was about ten years later, that movie is just a gory comedy, not more or less. You can't compare it with "Evil Dead".

And now get over it, we just hate that shit movie. We don't have any problem with that, but you seem to.


Ok, so you and Endsieg's arguments about the OG "Evil Dead" are biased/flawed right from the start because you attach personal memories to the film. There's no point discussing it further to me.

And I thought the Carter family in the "Hills Have Eyes"' remake weren't different from a lot of families in a lot of other films. They're just fodder for the mutants.

Sunnportal, I really like "The Hills Have Eyes" and "Piranha"'s remakes too! They're just effective and gory, and that's all I ask 98% of current horror films. I even liked "Piranha 3DD", boring at times but some hilarious parts.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haunt In The Dark wrote:
Ok, so you and Endsieg's arguments about the OG "Evil Dead" are biased/flawed right from the start because you attach personal memories to the film. There's no point discussing it further to me.


You're right. Sorry for having personal memories when it comes to movies (or music), we are now looking at everything completely neutral and objectively.

Like this: Neutral

Seriously, you don't seem to understand the IDEA of the originals. Like I said above: Evil Dead = surrealistic random & senseless terror, Hills Have Eyes = deconstruction of the American family values. So the clique in ED doesn't have to be characterized that much, but in Hills it is mandatory to the plot. And of course the remake has good actors, I mean Ted Levine, Billy Drago?

Nothing wrong with a remake having new influences or ideas. A good example is "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" who transported the story into the 70ies and dropped the communist-witchhunt-touch of the McCarthy-era, but kept the constant feel of PARANOIA equally.

But fucking up something fundamentally important to the original while using the same banner is a FAILURE (like Derleth when he classified HPL's demonology into "good" and "evil") - and to what else should we compare a remake if not to the original?

Of course, if you think a modern horror film has to be "efficient" (means having thousand cuts, an explaining-justifying backstory for an audience with no fantasy, epileptic camera-movements, "dynamic" volume-changes of the interchangeable and soulless score/audio-track, "torture porn" shock-scenes and filmed in HD for digital aesthetics), you're well served. Real connaisseurs watch out for movies with good (own!) ideas and eerie atmosphere.
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