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Xeniteia
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| cochino wrote: | | Xeniteia wrote: | | Does he understand that modern science, despite some important ideas taken elsewhere, is mostly a Western product and one of the greatest achievements of the Western world? And even the Arabs would have done nothing without the Hellenistic heritage. |
And the modern western culture would have done nothing without the Arab heritage since they didn't even fucking keep the goddamn works and knowdelge of such Hellenistic heritage, and would still be largely ignorant about it if it wasn't for the Arabs.
And I'd like to see proof of the Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, Mayans, Aztecs and Incas developing their cultures thanks to Europeans.
Everybody knows it was the aliens. |
Ever heard about of Jean BURRIDAN (among others). Or maybe do you know where the first universities were created?
By the way, science itself was a Greek invention, as far as we know it.
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cochino
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| You know what M O D E R N science would be without the concept of zero? Guess where that concept comes from? Answer: NOT EUROPE. |
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Xeniteia
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The zero wasn't invented by the Arabs either...
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LuisOrozco
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| Xeniteia wrote: | | The zero wasn't invented by the Arabs either... |
Thank you... It's was from MAyas!....
Ok... back to Vargs stuff i wall say that..... naahh i have nothing to say! |
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cochino
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| Zero as a cypher was, and the precedents were also Asian (Chinese, Indian, etc). My point is not saying Arabs are awesome, just that not everything came out of Europe. And quite a lot of European scientists are of jewish origin anyway. |
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Hallucinogen
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| Zero was invented in India |
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cochino
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| Xeniteia wrote: | | cochino wrote: | | Xeniteia wrote: | | Does he understand that modern science, despite some important ideas taken elsewhere, is mostly a Western product and one of the greatest achievements of the Western world? And even the Arabs would have done nothing without the Hellenistic heritage. |
And the modern western culture would have done nothing without the Arab heritage since they didn't even fucking keep the goddamn works and knowdelge of such Hellenistic heritage, and would still be largely ignorant about it if it wasn't for the Arabs.
And I'd like to see proof of the Chinese, Japanese, Mongols, Mayans, Aztecs and Incas developing their cultures thanks to Europeans.
Everybody knows it was the aliens. |
Ever heard about of Jean BURRIDAN (among others). Or maybe do you know where the first universities were created?
By the way, science itself was a Greek invention, as far as we know it. |
Hahaha, so science is an invention now? And do you know where the knowdelge they taught in such universities came from?
I'm not saying Europeans didn't invent anything or that their culture is useless either, it's not as simple as saying this or that culture is more important. So yes, cultures don't exist in some isolated enviorment like Varg and a lot of other people like to think, and plenty of advances in different cultures came from being in touch with other cultures and adopt their knowdelge while adding something of their own. The Chinese had noodles but the Italians thought about eating it with tomato sauce, and so on. |
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The_Elite
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Neanderthals invented zero. |
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astralvesl
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| cochino wrote: |
modern western culture would have done nothing without the Arab heritage since they didn't even fucking keep the goddamn works and knowdelge of such Hellenistic heritage, and would still be largely ignorant about it if it wasn't for the Arabs.
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Are you saying that "modern western culture" did away w/ the works and knowledge of the Hellenistic age? And that the only reason said culture knows about those works/knowledge is the Arabs? |
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nileppez
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cochino
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| astralvesl wrote: | | cochino wrote: |
modern western culture would have done nothing without the Arab heritage since they didn't even fucking keep the goddamn works and knowdelge of such Hellenistic heritage, and would still be largely ignorant about it if it wasn't for the Arabs.
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Are you saying that "modern western culture" did away w/ the works and knowledge of the Hellenistic age? And that the only reason said culture knows about those works/knowledge is the Arabs? |
No. I am saying that modern western culture is aware of the Hellenistic culture through the Arabs who were the ones that kept it from oblivion. |
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ADK
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| Count G. wrote: | | Even China had their civilisation from Europeans |
Ok, that is maybe the most HILARIOUS historical conspiracy bullshit I ever heard.
Thinking of selling "Belus" by now.... |
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Xeniteia
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| Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| cochino wrote: | | astralvesl wrote: | | cochino wrote: |
modern western culture would have done nothing without the Arab heritage since they didn't even fucking keep the goddamn works and knowdelge of such Hellenistic heritage, and would still be largely ignorant about it if it wasn't for the Arabs.
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Are you saying that "modern western culture" did away w/ the works and knowledge of the Hellenistic age? And that the only reason said culture knows about those works/knowledge is the Arabs? |
No. I am saying that modern western culture is aware of the Hellenistic culture through the Arabs who were the ones that kept it from oblivion. |
Do you realize that there were many books and other works of knowledge in the monasteries, that there was something called the Eastern Roman Empire too?
Do you realize the Arabs and then the Turks left their share of destruction on their trail too?
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ADK
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Ah, Cochino and his historical "facts" are not much away from Vikernes and his "facts".
It's not "black and white" as you like it to be. Not ALL Hellenic culture was lost and not ALL was given back during the crusades from the Arabs (ca. 200 years after Karl der Grosse and his Holy Roman German Empire, mind you).
And surely not "modern western culture would have been nothing without the Arabs", man Cochino, are you serious with such statements? Completely random assumptions on your behalf. |
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Under Command
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Egyptian civilization brought a lot to the table and they were not european nor white. Also they are one of the oldest ones. Same for Persians.
To say they were white european like us is pure revisionism. |
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