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Which CoF album exposes your fangs?
The Principle of Evil Made Flesh
33%
 33%  [ 59 ]
Vempire or Dark Faerytales in Phallustein
16%
 16%  [ 29 ]
Dusk... and Her Embrace
22%
 22%  [ 40 ]
Cruelty and the Beast
13%
 13%  [ 24 ]
Midian
6%
 6%  [ 11 ]
Bitter Suites to Succubi
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Damnation and a Day
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
Nymphetamine
3%
 3%  [ 7 ]
Thornography
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
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Frozen



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feuersturm wrote:
Frozen wrote:
Cruelty is my personal favorite in spite of the weird production.


Yes! Although I could almost swear the Celtic Cross edition has a marginally better production especially on the guitars. Could be my imagination too. But those songs are so full of drama and heartache, no wonder I fell instantly in love with that album in '98. Obviously it has matured well.


Very interesting. Never noticed that myself. Here's a thread about it:

http://theorderofthedragon.com/forum/topics/which-cruelty-do-you-prefer
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This can only mean one thing. I have to get the 2CD version as well. Just to be sure! On the revised version of Lustmord And Wargasm, the entire mix (and song) is totally different, but I'm still pretty sure the rest of the album sounds better than the regular jewelcase too.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted The Principle of Evil Made Flesh, punched out after MIDIAN mainly.

BUT - is the new one from 2012 good at all???
I keep hearing it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooklyn Bastard 666 wrote:
I voted The Principle of Evil Made Flesh, punched out after MIDIAN mainly.

BUT - is the new one from 2012 good at all???
I keep hearing it is.


It's no "Principle..." but compared to the anything they've done after the turn of the century it's gold.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't heard it myself, but here's an in depth review:


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England's eloquent Gothic horror metallers Cradle of Filth have been on quite a tear of late, producing two of their most potent and practiced albums in Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder (2008) and its successor, Darkly, Darkly, Venus Aversa (2010); at least since striking a creative peak with their lush Lovecraftian homage Midian in 2000. I'd even go so far as to say that the band's steady determination and consistency have won them back quite a number of naysayers who quickly dropped the group from rotation once it became 'cool' to do so. At least I know a few people whose averted fondness for their early albums has come full circle these past few outings. Love their image, loathe their image, envy the fact that succulent, saucy faux-Goth fan(g)girls will cuddle up to their records while you spend Friday night at home with your right hand (or left...or...both). Cradle of Filth could be geriatric gargoyles spit upon IV tubes and piss-pots: their music speaks for itself, and if anything, their tenth opus, The Manticore and Other Horrors goes further to cement their commitment to continued quality.

This is, at its heart, a bit less of a flagrant, flamboyant odious operetta than its recent siblings, but probably only because the band has become stronger at incorporating its symphonic textures into the metal riffing. To whit, it's not as seeped in boisterous orchestration as Dimmu Borgir's latest, or as overtly excessive as the latest Fleshgod Apocalypse; but rather tastefully slung over pieces like "Illicitus" or "Frost on Her Pillow" with everything from a flute-like presence to a simmering full-string bombast (as in the full haunted house treatment of intro "The Unveiling of O" or the piano-veiled outro "Sinfonia"). Choir vocals here are well arranged as a backbone rather than attempting to steamroll the core instrumentation, and the sultry female lines provided by Lucy Atkins, returning from the prior album, are also well fitted and far less evocative of the lamer drama present on some of Sarah Jezebel Diva's collaborations with the band. Most impressively, Dani Filth has really dialed back his performance to cut out much of the excess that alienated many from his timbre in the past. You'll still get a taste or two of his impish, wheezing petulance, or a shrill scream, but he lays most of the verses out with a more smoky, laid back menace, or brief snips of gutturals, both of which are in truth far more intimidating. Lyrically, he's still one of the best penmen of poetic, horror tinted imagery strong on antiquity, myth and seduction:

'Vast boudoirs here
Are mastered by the minatory
Walls plastered with the base relief
Of baser glories'

What many will undoubtedly champion here, though, is the rock solid riffing foundation being laid out by Paul Allender, who has essentially bridged the gap between pure thrashing violation, an almost epic 'power metal' influenced architecture molded into the orchestration, and the expectant walls of tremolo picking or Nordic Bathory-styled chord batteries we usually associate with black metal in the 90s (beyond the more punkish Hellhammer/Mayhem roots). Granted, there are such an array of styles at war with one another in this music that you'll get no argument from me that it doesn't belong in any one category beyond the basic necessities for filing. On the whole, I wouldn't claim that all of the guitar progressions really stick. There are a few of the more base, thrash-punk like pummeling patterns that feel derivative or uninteresting in their payoff, but the guy is constantly firing off enough melody, business and variation that you'll never have to sit through any of the duller implements for more than a few measures. He's even got some progressive metal tendencies threaded through numbers like the titular "Manticore" which really play into the vastness of the experience.

The bass playing has never been a prime factor in Cradle's sound, and it hasn't much improved on this record beyond the fact that the instrument pumps along dutifully to the rhythm guitar. As for Marthus though, he's really cemented his seat behind the drums, laying out as professional and persistent thundering as you are apt to hear on such a higher visibility extreme metal record, even if the snares and kicks feel a bit too sterile to really feel them below the weight of the keys and guitars; and of course, he's also primarily responsible for most of the former, so the guy's just really earned his keep here these past six years, helping Dani emerge from the mediocrity of records like Thornography and Nymphetamine with class. On the whole, they've put the usual enormous level of work into the structure and production of the record, so that whether the group is hammering out some over the top orchestrated anthem with choir, or swerving into a more humble breakdown, it's all quite level and equidistant from the listener's ears. The choral contributions are really involved here, and it took a few listens to place them all, since they're not so brazen in the mix; but choices like the keening wail in "For Your Vulgar Delectation" really add a lot to the muscular drive of the guitar.

Now, as consistent and versed as this album comes off, it's not likely to place among my favorites in their lexicon, primarily because there aren't individual songs here that really stand to memory on the level of classics like "Beauty Slept in Sodom", "Desire in Violent Overture", "The Forest Whispers My Name" or "Her Ghost in the Fog". In fact, after about a dozen listens through the substantial 52 minutes of content, I couldn't name any of these to a career highlight reel. In that way, it reminds me a lot of Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder, an album which reinstated my own interest in their music but didn't exactly clout me over the head with fond impressions. As is often the case, I think I found the lyrics more compelling than the riffs or choruses. Yet, as a unified work, there's really no weak point to any one component. Whether I were to count myself among the band's legion detractors, or swooning vamps, the effort Cradle of Filth puts into their writing and themes is clear, and inspirational. Everything sounds seasoned, in place, and busy enough that The Manticore and Other Horrors should warrant numerous, if not infinite migrations off the CD shelf. Not their best (Midian would like a word), but easily on par with titles like Cruelty and the Beast or Darkly, Darkly Venus Aversa.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Not their best (Midian would like a word), but easily on par with titles like Cruelty and the Beast or Darkly, Darkly Venus Aversa."


HMMMM....I'll now listen to it streaming at the very least.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voted for the actual debut "Goetia" that got deleted.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADK wrote:
Voted for the actual debut "Goetia" that got deleted.


I'd like to hear that. Cradle are the kings of deleting recorded albums. Nihil from Cacophonous still has the original Dusk album in his possession. Hope it'll be released some day.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed the shit out of the first 3 albums when I was 16.
Some good riffs, good atmosphere, songs well structured but the sound is so weak now, and the visuals so cheesy...

I would hate it now if it wasnt for the cheesy nostalgia in me...
Fortunately they've been replaced by Watain and Ghost now and no band is trying to follow CoF path which is dead and buried.

Can't take this band seriously at all now. Almost never listen to them, the CDs are covered in dust and I dont think I'll buy the vinyl represses though slightly tempted...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Principle for sure. The lyrics though..fuck me they were gay as shit, even then. Running in to Dani at the Devils Church in London just after the first record was released and seeing him with a bodyguard (I shit you not) was enough to confirm my suspicion that the guy was a joke. Loved the Total Fucking Darkness demo though..still rate it as one of the best to come from the UK
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weltering in Blood wrote:
Running in to Dani at the Devils Church in London just after the first record was released and seeing him with a bodyguard (I shit you not) was enough to confirm my suspicion that the guy was a joke.


Laughing

I remember them whining all the time about everything in the interviews, how hard their struggle as a band is, that their label is not doing enough for them etc. - like they were the poorest guys on earth.

By the way: Did they commit anything remotely evil or criminal during their career? Or were they really just 100% sissy?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADK wrote:
Weltering in Blood wrote:
Running in to Dani at the Devils Church in London just after the first record was released and seeing him with a bodyguard (I shit you not) was enough to confirm my suspicion that the guy was a joke.


Laughing

I remember them whining all the time about everything in the interviews, how hard their struggle as a band is, that their label is not doing enough for them etc. - like they were the poorest guys on earth.

By the way: Did they commit anything remotely evil or criminal during their career? Or were they really just 100% sissy?


The most evil thing he ever did was those photos for Metal Hammer dressed up as Santa.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, he also made that movie, "Cradle of Fear". That was pretty evil!

asmael LeBouc wrote:
Can't take this band seriously at all now. Almost never listen to them, the CDs are covered in dust and I dont think I'll buy the vinyl represses though slightly tempted...


I think you should buy them all. They will sound so much better on vinyl. And those vempyric-erotica artworks will look awesome on 12"!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADK wrote:
Ah, he also made that movie, "Cradle of Fear". That was pretty evil!


Laughing

I don't think I even want to know what that is.

He also did a BBC doc years back where some mother of a fan went around with them on tour. he acted pretty hard in that one. Laughable.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Living with the enemy" beats the rest though. Seen that one?
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