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Justin "Slasher Design" Osbourn Plagiarist?
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GenericBlackMetalhead



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is that it's fucking obvious that this isn't an "homage" or anything of that sort. Ghost's album covers are an homage.
This is 100% a rip-off and plagiarism. he's literally copy and pasting images and trying to pass them off as his own.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing new... http://dennisdread.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/occult-roots-of-metal-iconography_896.html
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iron Lord wrote:
Nothing new... http://dennisdread.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/occult-roots-of-metal-iconography_896.html


I was wondering when someone would post the Dennis Dread article. I'm really fond of this blog post!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't even the early Burzum and Satyricon covers taken from some weird D&D games? I also vaguely remember that some Necromantia Cover wasn't even altered. That one with the vampyre in his red cape on the front.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, who gives a fuck? as others have said, this has always been common place in the music business, especially Metal.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weltering in Blood wrote:
Honestly, who gives a fuck? as others have said, this has always been common place in the music business, especially Metal.


Exactly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the reason that some of the bands are pissed is that they were expecting "original" artwork. in a lot of those pieces, the ideas are hardly original... but then again, it's hard to be original nowadays when everything has pretty much been done to death.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weltering in Blood wrote:
Honestly, who gives a fuck? as others have said, this has always been common place in the music business, especially Metal.


Because people's work is being ripped off. It's no different than when a band blatantly rips off a riff from another band. We all like to jump on them then, don't we? But when it comes to artwork nobody gives a fuck. There's no excuse for this. It's fucking lazy and the "artists" in question should be blacklisted. Getting inspiration from an existing work is fine, producing an homage is fine, referencing existing work for poses etc is fine. Copying directly chunks of an existing work and mashing your own crap over the top is not fine.

That said, some of the examples on that site are more a case of the artist copying poses and lighting styles which is ok in my book. Artists do this all the time. We reference from life or existing work.

People don't tend to care about this sort of thing until it happens to them. Remember that artists produce their work to make a living...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copyright-wise, the guy in question here walks on thin ice. Technically, a COLLAGE (not homage, that is something entirely different, like what Giger did with Böcklin's "Toteninsel") is allowed if the new work "overshadows" the originals being used, means the lifted motives are part of something bigger and not just simply exploited.

I don't know any precedence-case for this subject, but I guess it would be up to judges or art-experts to decide if it's a collage or plagiarism.

From what I see, he just cut out complete motives and pasted them in the centre of his artworks, so I don't think he would get far with this in court.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
Copyright-wise, the guy in question here walks on thin ice. Technically, a COLLAGE (not homage, that is something entirely different, like what Giger did with Böcklin's "Toteninsel") is allowed if the new work "overshadows" the originals being used, means the lifted motives are part of something bigger and not just simply exploited.

I don't know any precedence-case for this subject, but I guess it would be up to judges or art-experts to decide if it's a collage or plagiarism.

From what I see, he just cut out complete motives and pasted them in the centre of his artworks, so I don't think he would get far with this in court.


Correct except that it was called "Homage to Bocklin" so I think that's a clear-cut case of a simple, respectful homage. No grey area there, really.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I didn't meant he was in the grey area there, absolutely fine.

Same goes for Bruegel's "Triumph of Death", which was re-worked by one of his sons.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexyorkalive wrote:
We all like to jump on them then, don't we?


Erm, no? That's the basis of most rock music for fuck's sake. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an old trick !
there was a french website on which somebody spotted all the stolen art or parts, mainly on movie posters from the Z world, italian heroic fantasy and so on, character limbs or animals, elements stolen from Vallejo, Frazetta, etc...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eighthplague wrote:
alexyorkalive wrote:
We all like to jump on them then, don't we?


Erm, no? That's the basis of most rock music for fuck's sake. Laughing


Not the same thing - I mean direct riff stealing, not taking an existing riff and twisting it around to make something new.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% plagiarism. 100% Ripoff.

If you are defending this idiot, I honestly feel bad for you.
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