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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


Drum machine ≠ industrial
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

obscureinfinity wrote:
That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


It's not from the millennial period, but sure, I'll give you that.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


Drum machine ≠ industrial


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said it did but Mysticum incorporate it in a way that is clearly industrial influenced.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frozen wrote:
Candlemass wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


Drum machine ≠ industrial


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Laughing

As a regular Industrial listener, it still bugs me that people think Mysticum is somehow "industrial", but whatever. I'll leave it at that just to avoid the usual drama.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass, don't expect metalheads to be experts in such an obscure underground phenomenon like true Industrial (late 70ies - early 80ies).

For "us", anything electronic in metal is somehow "industrial" or "ambient". It would be similar pointless to explain my parents the difference between Veles and Beherit.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frozen wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


It's not from the millennial period, but sure, I'll give you that.


You said late 90s to the millennial period in the OP. I guess the album was released in 1996 if we're going to nitpick.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
Candlemass, don't expect metalheads to be experts in such an obscure underground phenomenon like true Industrial (late 70ies - early 80ies).

For "us", anything electronic in metal is somehow "industrial". It would be similar pointless to explain my parents the difference between Veles and Beherit.


Haha I can't even begin to imagine my parents' faces while blasting Beherit and Veles to them and trying to explain the differences. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass wrote:
Frozen wrote:
Candlemass wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
That Mysticum album was one of if not the first black metal band to incorporate industrial elements. You wouldn't call that experimental?


Drum machine ≠ industrial


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Laughing

As a regular Industrial listener, it still bugs me that people think Mysticum is somehow "industrial", but whatever. I'll leave it at that just to avoid the usual drama.


Well they're still a black metal band. There's a difference between being industrial and having industrial elements.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Candlemass:

I think they still believe I am into Guns N'Roses or something - if they even bother to think about my "nonsense hobbies". Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass wrote:
Stalinorgel wrote:
Candlemass, don't expect metalheads to be experts in such an obscure underground phenomenon like true Industrial (late 70ies - early 80ies).

For "us", anything electronic in metal is somehow "industrial". It would be similar pointless to explain my parents the difference between Veles and Beherit.


Haha I can't even begin to imagine my parents' faces while blasting Beherit and Veles to them and trying to explain the differences. Laughing


Industrial is very broad term used to cover a lot of different music. It's not even a genre really. Mysticum did take an obvious influence from early EBM/Industrial bands like Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Laibach etc. Especially as far as the step sequencing goes (the martial beats etc). These bands where all considered Industrial back then just like TG, Whitehouse, SPK and Monte Cazaza was. End of story.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I mean no one was saying that Mysticum was pure industrial in the first place but I don't see why it's a stretch to say they were influenced by it. Go figure that someone comes in saying "Mysticum isn't pure industrial". No shit, we're talking about black metal. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemess is obviously just a n00b who found the ihatemusic forum and now thinks anything that isn't harsh noise released on tape in 20 copies isn't "true industrial". Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but luckily you are the expert, Mr. Dissection.

Don't behave so arrogant, or is this part of the "avant-garde" hubris in this thread?
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