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Late 90's and early 00's Modern/Avant Black Metal
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obscureinfinity



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's comical that he's coming into a thread about black metal to say that a black metal band isn't true industrial. Elitism crosses over into new territory sometimes I suppose.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also comical that 2 pages before you two weren't friends.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIP thread
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obscureinfinity



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalinorgel wrote:
It's also comical that 2 pages before you two weren't friends.


Our comments weren't even aimed at you. You're an annoying brat.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, they were aimed at Candlemass after you two didn't found a consensus in your (annoying) dialogue, so you sided. Pretty lame.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well he didn't really respond to what I said about Mysticum being a mid-late-90s black metal band who broke new ground before nose-in-the-air Candlemass felt the need to inform everyone that they aren't a real industrial band.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frozen wrote:
Candlemess is obviously just a n00b who found the ihatemusic forum and now thinks anything that isn't harsh noise released on tape in 20 copies isn't "true industrial". Laughing


Yep. Been a n00b for 15 years now, so what the fuck do I know. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

obscureinfinity wrote:
Well he didn't really respond to what I said about Mysticum being a mid-late-90s black metal band who broke new ground before nose-in-the-air Candlemass felt the need to inform everyone that they aren't a real industrial band.


Yeah, they were a bm band whose "novelty" was probably being the first bm band to use a drum machine that actually suceeded at making it sound good and coherent with their style. That's it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avant garde = turd ā la Arcturus Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of bands used drum machines before Mysticum and most of the time, they weren't used in a way that was all that noticeable. Mysticum clearly uses the drum machine in rhythms that are noticeably similar to what you might find in an industrial band. It doesn't have to have things 100% in common with industrial to be merely influenced by industrial. I honestly don't think you've heard the album in question.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
Well he didn't really respond to what I said about Mysticum being a mid-late-90s black metal band who broke new ground before nose-in-the-air Candlemass felt the need to inform everyone that they aren't a real industrial band.


Yeah, they were a bm band whose "novelty" was probably being the first bm band to use a drum machine that actually suceeded at making it sound good and coherent with their style. That's it.


I would say the drums on that Mysticum are more techno -or something like that- influenced other than plain classic industrial. Just listen to those beats on The Rest for instance. It's a great album but I agree with CM on this.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Candlemass wrote:
Frozen wrote:
Candlemess is obviously just a n00b who found the ihatemusic forum and now thinks anything that isn't harsh noise released on tape in 20 copies isn't "true industrial". Laughing


Yep. Been a n00b for 15 years now, so what the fuck do I know. Very Happy


Exactly. Industrial died in 87. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

obscureinfinity wrote:
You're a dick. My first post name-dropped a handful of albums, a lot of which were albums pushing the boundaries of the genre. I take it you didn't give any of it a listen. Rolling Eyes


modern
avantgarde
broke new grounds

and you name hades - dawn of the dying sun?
hmmm ...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Late 90's and early 00's Modern/Avant Black Metal Reply with quote

Frozen wrote:
stuff like Ved Buens Ende's Written In Waters.


strange that no one named kvist for a very "ahead of its time" songwriting and musician skills. over all its surely not modern enough but pushed boundaries like not too many bands of that time!

seriously I recommend you Whirling (swe) - faceless phenomena.
it's from 2009 or 2010, yes sorry, but if you seek for total ved buens ende worship, then get this instantly.
dudes seem to be close to the armagedda/LIK/lönndom posse.
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obscureinfinity



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krakentorso wrote:
obscureinfinity wrote:
You're a dick. My first post name-dropped a handful of albums, a lot of which were albums pushing the boundaries of the genre. I take it you didn't give any of it a listen. Rolling Eyes


modern
avantgarde
broke new grounds

and you name hades - dawn of the dying sun?
hmmm ...


Well I didn't understand exactly what he was looking for at first so I just named some good albums from the late 90s. That album is pretty unique though so I'm sure you could argue that it made some contributions to the genre. It isn't a generic album by any means.
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