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so that new SATYRICON album...
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Mikael



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemesis Divina is strange album, Mother North took Satyricon into new level of popularity, but at least for me it's quite different from the rest of the album.

Didn't care for the last album, the new single did nothing for me at first, but after few listens I started to like it, very curious to hear this.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I tend to agree, it's not all so bad. Only that each song has that incredibly commercial element - be it a chorus, a solo... that screams: 'All now sing along', taking the band (as they surely hope) 'into a new level of popularity'. It leaves a very bad taste. Add to that the second weak point, namely that they quote other bands far too often. Thus, I may love Nocturnal Flare, but then it all spills into Maiden; I may like Nekrohaven, until the punk vibe got completely smeared into some dumb guitar solo... Mind you, all guitars on that record are awful.
Each song deteriorates into something predictable.

Third, and final down-point: the overall feel of - well, not melancholia, but sheer phlegmatism. Seems Satyr has entirely succumbed to his temperament. Gosh, he's even unbearable to watch in interviews.

It's not that bad of a record - but try to imagine it without Frost, and think the same...

ops, and Phoenix is just..... yuck
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dom_ wrote:

I could write a book on why exactly the previous four albums are good, but that would be time wasted; moreover, the majority does seem to agree that Now, Diabolical is their masterpiece.



The majority also seem to agree that The Black Album is Metallica's masterpiece if you go by sales, but that doesn't make it true.

Are you that mad darkestdepth woman from various forums?
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Mikael



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dom_ wrote:
^ I tend to agree, it's not all so bad. Only that each song has that incredibly commercial element - be it a chorus, a solo... that screams: 'All now sing along', taking the band (as they surely hope) 'into a new level of popularity'. It leaves a very bad taste. Add to that the second weak point, namely that they quote other bands far too often. Thus, I may love Nocturnal Flare, but then it all spills into Maiden; I may like Nekrohaven, until the punk vibe got completely smeared into some dumb guitar solo... Mind you, all guitars on that record are awful.
Each song deteriorates into something predictable.

Third, and final down-point: the overall feel of - well, not melancholia, but sheer phlegmatism. Seems Satyr has entirely succumbed to his temperament. Gosh, he's even unbearable to watch in interviews.

It's not that bad of a record - but try to imagine it without Frost, and think the same...

ops, and Phoenix is just..... yuck

I don't care about commercial elements if the music actually works. I checked the full album and think that half of the songs are actually quite or very good, some of them, like the ones you liked, were just the same they've done over and over again on their current path.

The best parts are the songs where they mostly keep things very simple riff-wise and try new things. Maybe that for I actually liked Phoenix, nowhere near the Satyricon known from the previous works, but their last album brought nothing new and this and some mellower, maybe even a bit more post-rockish parts brought something new to the table.

The drum-work certainly is very big part on the album, but that's natural, this is a band and not a solo-work.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange that you'd say you don't mind the commercialism - I just heard that from another friend, as well. It bothers me a lot. I am not an avid metal listener, I prefer blues and jazz, which is all about innovation.
And Satyricon said this album would be innovative, didn't they?...

My complaint about the album being dependent on Frost, has to do with the Satyr-Frost 'dynamics', if you follow interviews. Frost claims Satyr is the 'new Beethoven', while Satyr says that 'finally, in this new album, I am able to say I'm proud of Frost' (?? - surely, his work on previous albums wasn't admirable?)

I agree Satyricon should keep things simple. Their effort to be Enslaved is doomed. The strength of Satyr is in classic songwriting - which is actually great, if he did still have the inspiration...

some more...
I still struggle with listening. Walker Upon The Wind - still the crazy out-of-sense tempo changes... folk, groove, then doom...

Why I keep nagging about Frost... because the beat is the core of music, to me. And Satyr has put an enormous amount of pressure on Frost with this album, without any justification. 'Progressive'? In Enslaved, the rhythms flow into each other, there's continuity. The 'low-key and calm', as Frost puts it, naturally builds up for the strong. In this new Satyricon, nothing makes sense. The different beats and tempos aim at nothing but the disruption of what would be a song. Maybe that was the goal of Satyr, to make the song more 'intricate' that way. If only it were an entity, and not some fragmentary postmodern... art statement....



To the person above - yes, I have various usernames under which I post here and there. I may well be that 'mad darkestdepth' whom a certain very sane (?!) 'forefather of black metal' has tried to demonize all over the net, for simply having a personality, in a particularly sane music scene. But why go into soap opera?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I streamed the full album yesterday and was bored to death. strangely, it was available for streaming via the german BILD homepage including an interview with satyr (WTF?):

http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/musik/metal-hammer/satyricon-exklusiv-im-vorabstream-32099198.bild.html

everything felt out of place, tune, joint. and this is coming from someone who thought age of nero was their best since nemesis divina. should have known better after that weird intro riff on the album.

I'll definitely pass on this.
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Pestkrieg



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dom_ wrote:

To the person above - yes, I have various usernames under which I post here and there. I may well be that 'mad darkestdepth' whom a certain very sane (?!) 'forefather of black metal' has tried to demonize all over the net, for simply having a personality, in a particularly sane music scene. But why go into soap opera?


I just find it a bit strange that you appear to have joined the NWN board, of all places, to post only about Satyricon, especially when you are 'not an avid metal listener'!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want me to post about anything, then?

And who tells you I'm not an avid metal listener? I've seen both Satyricon and Judas Priest about ten times on their last tours. Ah, Enslaved, too.

Any other requirements?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dom_ wrote:
I am not an avid metal listener,


dom_ wrote:
who tells you I'm not an avid metal listener?


Alrighty then.
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the coming of blood angel



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha.

Anyways, I find the album weak, and I like everything else they've released.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not an AVID metal listener because I ONLY attended Satyricon's TAON tour 10 times. I can list: London, Holland, Germany, Greece, Greece again, London again, Germany again, Hungary, Holland again....

What did you AVID metal fans do?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AVIDITY: the new fucking metric

RIP maniac RIP cult RIP extreme RIP underground RIP die-hard
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demoniarch wrote:
Cool
Wait to you hear the song ... Phoenix Razz

Guess Watain and Satyricon both were obligated to write something for their girlfriends on the latest albums. Razz

I didn't bother listening to that Watain song until I saw this post... sounds like the band was trying to channel Fields of the Nephilim through some 80s arena rock bullshit. I'm repulsed.

"Phoenix" isn't quite as offensive since I'm unfamiliar with what artists it sounds like. It's a girlfriend track, though, just as much as this is worthy of being a fold-out poster in a zine for teenage girls.

I haven't listened to Satyricon in a while... I don't think this album will revitalize my liking for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dom_ wrote:
I am not an AVID metal listener because I ONLY attended Satyricon's TAON tour 10 times. I can list: London, Holland, Germany, Greece, Greece again, London again, Germany again, Hungary, Holland again....

What did you AVID metal fans do?


Just how much did that trek set you back? I couldn't imagine seeing the same band play the same songs on the same tour ten times over. I just don't think I could stomach that.
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dom_



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the end it got boring, and I surely regretted not seeing blues legend Honeyboy Edwards in Newcastle that year, instead... That's me being dumb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBinQB0E6k

The guy passed on shortly, and he sure was more black metal than our Zigurd boy.
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