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should black metal bands worry about the (nazi) past
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Eternal Soul



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

little_raven wrote:
DIVERGENTSERIES wrote:
dronevil wrote:
I can't wait for some hipster journalist to dig up Alcest's "NS connections" and make a huge deal out of it hahaha. Then Deafheaven would become "nazi sympathisers" too and the hipsters BM listeners that came into the scene during the last few years can just leave the hall, as even the dearest media BM darlings had "dodgy pasts" or "dodgy connections".


The guitarist for Deafheaven already got busted for wearing a Hate Forest t-shirt by the hardcore kid google intelligentsia.



Also Agalloch's drummer having an amazing blog with some NSBM demos.


Oh I surely need that guy's take. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaronOvHell wrote:

On a side note I'd rather have annoying 13 year olds sperging out to Dragonforce than 'Little Weezy'. Sometimes shitty power metal is the lesser of two evils.


Nah, I'd rather they keep listening to Drake, Lil Wayne and Wiz Khalifa, etc. Especially if they decide to grow up into hot chicks with big tits.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kojiri wrote:
BaronOvHell wrote:

On a side note I'd rather have annoying 13 year olds sperging out to Dragonforce than 'Little Weezy'. Sometimes shitty power metal is the lesser of two evils.


Nah, I'd rather they keep listening to Drake, Lil Wayne and Wiz Khalifa, etc. Especially if they decide to grow up into hot chicks with big tits.


Now you're trying too hard. Stay on the op's topic and stop
being a ratchet ho. The new Dragonforce isn't even that bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope she dies of bad aids.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://lambgoat.com/features/177/confronting-Kim-Kelly-about-her-clients-racist-homophobic-past

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fucking priceless.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The PC ex-punk crowd should be ejected from black metal, forcibly.


It would be a great thing for art, and even for society as a whole, if these types were ejected from pretty much everything.

Art has many functions. Surely one of the most important of these is to challenge people's ideas. To shatter and destroy those ideas if necessary. To frighten. To provoke. Orthodoxy is the enemy. Just ask Antichrist Kramer and Thomas Jefferson.

I have never hidden the fact that I am very much a left wing thinker. On some basic level I can sympathize with the emotions that drive people to whine about Inquisition's political beliefs, or whatever piddly horseshit keeps them up at night. But taken to this level, the whole thing is nothing more than a mutated extension of fear. Fear of being challenged. Fear of the darker reality you can only avoid by living in a fucking echo chamber.

And so I want these people to be crushed. Because they are playing a huge part in creating an entirely new orthodoxy of thought. Of calcifying civilization and freezing it the fuck in place.

And most importantly, for being fucking falses that need burned and died. So no, bands should not fight to separate themselves from frightening ideologies. They should fight to separate themselves from people who are afraid of ideas.

Well fucking said
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

someone should confront kim kelly about her past as a pin cushion



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought this was pretty funny, comments she made on an intro to porno grind when asked about writing an intro to nsbm article:
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HA! Yeah, right. I doubt that would go well. If you want to open yourself for that kind of comment firestorm/symphony of “Nazi!” accusations, be my guest. Internet metallers are far too PC to accept something like that.

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No such thing as bad publicity…unless it’s a horde of screaming keyboard warriors calling you a Nazi.

Found here: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2012/03/microgenres-%20pornogrind-a-primer/
Scene whore imo. Being a not hideous woman into metal w/ average writing abilities and a willingness to exploit the genre is apparently all it takes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

astralvesl wrote:
and a willingness to exploit the genre is apparently all it takes.


I don't know her, so I've avoided making personal attacks the various times she's made an ass out of herself...

However, I've always said that she's trying to turn a half-ass enjoyment of and involvement in metal into a shitty journalism career at whatever cost.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thought that she was looking to 'hurt' Dragonforce has crossed my mind too, since somewhere in the beginning of the interview there was something which clearly suggests that she doesn't like them.
However, even if that's what she wanted and it has the required outcome, it's still some kind of fuel to the fire of the witchhunt. Also, it would be lame to bother enough about a shitty band to do something like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaronOvHell wrote:
The article on Dragonforce almost reads like satire poking fun at other metal witch hunts... but there is a time and place for that and it isn't on Vice and it isn't for the Vice's audience to appreciate.

Maybe she felt it was double-edged and metal heads would understand it for the comedic absurdity that any band can be dragged through the mud; while on the other hand ruining the reputation of a band she considers 'false' anyways.


Yeah, I discussed this with some other folks and we do think this is an angle that wasn't picked up; just showing that everyone has a couple of 'skeletons in their closet', so to speak.

However, something about this bothers me: why complain about witch hunts with another trial? And what is the point of the matter? Does it not matter, or does it not matter only when the artist in question distances himself from his past? Because that's what's so easy about this. They said it was a joke and moved on. But suppose they had claimed they still subscribed to those ideas, would it have changed anything about Dragonforce's music?

I still don't get why people are indifferent to religious and philosophical stances in art, but apparently undesirable political views are enough to nullify someone's artistic output.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So she calls out Demoniac or whoever for having a song called "Niggerslut."

With a pretty quick google search I found an interview in which she explains that David Allan Coe is one of her favorite artists.

A guy who has a song called "Niggerfucker."

Ok I give up. I have no idea what the hell is going on...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonforce isn't popular among the black/death underground while bands/musicians such as Anal Cunt and David Allan Coe are. I'm sure that getting a band like Dragonforce to apologize to you personally for having some racist lyrics 15 years ago gets you a bunch of scene points or something like that.

I'm glad that this is getting a lot of negative backlash. The majority of the people speaking out aren't racist or like Dragonforce, they just don't care for the tone of the interview or the PC police in general.
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