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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: PayPal claim again Reply with quote

This time for a Mystifier boxset. Anyone know this bitch?

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Of course I am going to lose $140 from this bullshit system.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True Rare Metal? Sounds like an eBay shop...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodens Grav wrote:
True Rare Metal? Sounds like an eBay shop...


He's an eBay seller from Brazil, judging from a quick search on his email address on musicpriceguide.com. This is one of them: http://www.musicpriceguide.com/265854/SexTrash-Sexual-LP-SARCOFAGO-MUTILATOR-EXTERMINATOR.html
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll assume you send priority international (this is international, right?). Does having the tracking info. leaving the U.S. help at all in this type of situation? You would have a customs document with tracking number and tracking info. showing that the parcel at least left the U.S. I would think this should count for something in a Paypal claim, right?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No they don't care about any of that. I lost the last battle with PayPal even though the tracking number showed that the parcel was in customs. There is absolutely no way to win these fucking claims.

This guy is jumping the gun since his order was only received on November 12th. Most of the orders didn't go out until the following weekend and this is Brazil we're talking about. Mail to Brazil is always fucking slow.

He seems to know how to get around the system.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had people pull this with me for being a little late with sending off packages.

Every time this has happened, I just got delivery confirmation and as soon as I entered the #, the claim was lifted.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes this is sad but true, buyers have many many chances to "win" by cheating a paypal claim Confused Even if you submit solid and valid proof to justify yourself still the buyer will have more chances to win. Completely unfair. On the other hand as a buyer I have never lost a claim and with tracking number and official proof of shipping I've never lost a claim as well!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post the cunt's info / address. Some maniac will mail feces.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

might have to order a couple mystifier box sets and all the new die hards. And say thank you paypal when i get themall free.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should do that to him if you lose.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does this mean he first pays one and gets the money back afterwards?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck. I just read the Paypal Seller "Protection" policy (for my own good as well) and it is completely fucked. First of all, you would have had to ship within 7 days of payment to be eligible. Since the MYSTIFIER ended up being kind of a pre-order, this is unlikely to be the case. Secondly, and most fuckedly, "Claims and chargebacks where the buyer says that the shipped item is significantly not as described" are not covered AT ALL. So any asshole can just file a claim with Paypal stating that the item wasn't as described and get a full refund? How do they prove this or how do you prove otherwise?

By the way, for non-U.S. sellers, you are fucked right away. Your primary address listed in Paypal must be in the U.S. to have ANY seller protection.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People that cannot write an email and wait a few days for a response or expect a month at least for a parcel to arrive should not order anything, they should just goto the mall.

At least write an email of inquiry. This immediate assumption that the seller has screwed you is a poor method of doing business. One Mystifer boxset free, and never to order from NWN again... is it worth it ? Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me it looks completely random. I lost a claim for fucked up items I got while I won another for a not delivered item to me instantly (ca. 10 min. after starting the claim)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demoniarch wrote:
People that cannot write an email and wait a few days for a response or expect a month at least for a parcel to arrive should not order anything, they should just goto the mall.

At least write an email of inquiry. This immediate assumption that the seller has screwed you is a poor method of doing business. One Mystifer boxset free, and never to order from NWN again... is it worth it ? Confused


if the guys intention is to rip yosuke off, then why would he bother to send emails etc. With paypal its too easy to rip people off.
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