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dalecooper



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Damaged sleeves - fix, try to replace? Reply with quote

So I just bought a "Tolling 13 Knell" double LP. The vinyl is pristine though unfortunately the sleeve is not - bent corners, some seam splitting.

What do you guys do in these situations? I read an online article about repairing seam splits with a little glue which I might try out. I think I'm stuck with the bending damage, although maybe ironing on low heat with the sleeve under a cloth might help a little. I was also wondering if you guys ever contact the issuing labels to see if spare sleeves are available - I would guess that usually labels print the same amount of sleeves as records, so is there any chance they'd ever have a spare for something like this that's been unavailable for a couple years?
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Nocturnal Deathstrike



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one was released by Iron Pegasus right ? I know that Costa always did covers somewhere else than the vinyls (at least around that time) and he keeps the more printed covers. In this case you have good chances he might still have covers left.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, maybe I'll e-mail him and see.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got several spare sleeves of various Iron Pegasus releases. I'm not sure if I've got any MD ones but I'll check it out and will let you know. Give me a few days since I've these goodies divided between my house and my parent's home
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dalecooper



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goab wrote:
I've got several spare sleeves of various Iron Pegasus releases. I'm not sure if I've got any MD ones but I'll check it out and will let you know. Give me a few days since I've these goodies divided between my house and my parent's home


That would be great, thanks! Just send me a PM when you find out.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know in what year IP released this Mortuary drape album but a few years ago Costa had a flooding in his stockroom and lots of things got damaged, including the spare covers of his releases he had. Atleast that's what he told me when I asked if he had any spare Sabbat - Envenom sleeves.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humus wrote:
I don't know in what year IP released this Mortuary drape album but a few years ago Costa had a flooding in his stockroom and lots of things got damaged, including the spare covers of his releases he had. Atleast that's what he told me when I asked if he had any spare Sabbat - Envenom sleeves.


It was 2001 - hopefully that wasn't the case for this item. Anyway he got back to me and said he would look. Seems like a very nice guy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my jacket of satanic warmaster - opferblut LP and the ...of the night 10" are in pretty bad shape. i'd email no colours to ask him but the last time i tried communicating with him, his poor english made it very difficult. if anybody has these jackets in good shape, i'd be willing to buy them. i also need a new jacket for mutiilation - remains LP.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dalecooper wrote:
It was 2001 - hopefully that wasn't the case for this item. Anyway he got back to me and said he would look. Seems like a very nice guy.


He truly is. One of a kind metal supporter to the death, pretty much like YK
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in such cases I'm trying to contact the label for a spare sleeve or I try to fix them myself. Seam splits are piece of cake, some other damages as well but corners are almost game over situation. By the way I found somewhere on the internet this guide for basic vinyl jacket repairs so I'm posting it just in case. This is exactly what I do and has helped me a lot.


Basic 33 RPM LP Cover / Jacket Repair

Seam & Spine Splits - Repairing with Glue
Many people tend to shy away from buying records with splits seams and spines. However, if you are willing to spend a little time doing some repairs, you could end up getting your record cheap and with a nice looking cover after you refurbish it. If at all possible, always make your seam and spine repairs using glue. I have found Elmer's Office Glue Stick to work great. It's a gel adhesive that comes is a push up stick and dries clear and bonds very well. You will need to have a small flat head screwdriver to apply the glue. Scrape the screwdriver across the glue stick so the top of the scewdriver has a small amount of adhesive on the tip. Now carefully open the split seam enough so you can apply the glue from the tip of the screwdriver to the inside of the cover. Be sure to apply at the very top of the inside of the LP jacket. If you apply the glue to low, you won't be able to slide your LP inner sleeve in when it dries. Once you have applied the glue along the seam (one side of the seam is fine), press the seam together and take a paper towel, lightly dampened with water, and slide it along the top of the seam or spine you just glued. What this does is remove any excess glue on the outside of the LP cover and smooths out the flaking from the seam being broken. Now clamp the seam or spine down with a series of black binder clips. Make sure the binder clips are positioned so they are clamped to the very top of the repaired seam or spine. Let the clamped cover sit for several hours. After several hours, you can remove the binder clips. Your seam or spine is now repaired.

Seam & Spine Splits - Repairing with Tape
I recommend making repairs with glue but if you decide to go the tape route then I recommend using acid free photo & document tape. Make sure the tape is clear and not opaque (the brand I use is Scotch). The acid free part is very important because acid free tape will not yellow over time. Simply measure out the piece you need and press the tape onto the front side of the LP cover. Now flip the jacket over and gently pull the tape so there is a tight fit over the spine or seam and then press down. Trim the excess tape at the corners or LP opening with a straight edge razor. The straight edge razor ensures a very clean cut up against the LP slick. Since the tape is clear document and photo quality, it will blend nicely into the LP front / back slick. I have applied this technique with some of my LP covers and the blending is excellent.

Seam Separation Repairs
This is different than a seam split. A seam separation is when the LP jacket's seam becomes separated (versus a split) due to the original glue used by the record company becoming aged / brittle and no longer able to adhere the cover together . This is prevalent with covers manufactured starting in the 1980's. You can use the Elmer's Glue Stick, but I found a very quick and effective fix is to apply double sided tape over the original glue line. Scotch sells the double sided tape in hand held dispensers and works great. Apply the double sided tape with 2-3 runs to make sure you have enough adhesive and then simply press down.

Removing Stickers
Most sticker will come off by applying a product like Goo Gone to the label or sticker. Take a Q-Tip and dip it into the Goo Gone. Now apply the Goo Gone to the entire surface of the sticker and of course along the edges. Let the Goo Gone sit for a few minutes. After a few minutes, use your fingernail and gently pull back the sticker or label. Do NOT attempt to take the sticker or label off in one fell swoop. You will tear the LP slick. Once you get an edge of the sticker lifted, dip your Q-Tip back in the Goo Gone and dab underneath the lifted section of the sticker. Allow the Goo Gone to sit a couple of minutes so it can dissove the adhesive. Continue this process until the sticker or label is completely removed. I do not recommend using Isopropyl alcohol. Too much Isopropyl alcohol will leave a permanent pink discoloration. If you have ever seen a peeled Beatles Butcher with a pink hue to it, that's why. The cover was peeled using too much Isopropyl alcohol. Contribution from another Ebay member - to remove stickers nothing beats Ronsonol ligher fluid. It will not leave any dark marks (which Goo Gone can be guilty of). It evaporates in minutes and will not eat at the colors or paper. Apply to the entire sticker (use a Q-Tip) and then set a poly outer sleeve and a book as a weight on top of the sticker, Wait 1-2 minutes and peel the sticker away. Technique and length of application varies based on different adhesives but 3 minutes would be the high end. As with Acetone, do not drip Ronsonol on your vinyl. It will damage the record surface.

Removing Ink & Markers
This is by far the most difficult repair to make. Permament markers and pen ink are extremely tough to remove. In most cases, if the writing is not overly intrusive, it is best to leave well enough alone. But here are some techniques that I have used with varying levels of success: If you are looking to remove marker or ink from a laminated cover like the old Beatle UK flipback jackets, I found success in removing both marker and ink by using a dry erase marker. Simply apply the dry erase marker over the writing you are looking to remove. Let dry for a several seconds and then wipe. The old marker and ink writing will also rub off. Do not apply this technique to a non-laminated cover. The dry erase marker will have the same effect as a permanent marker and you just made your situtation worse. Concentrated (non-diluted) Simple Green works well on removing ball point ink from covers (it does not do as good a job on permanent marker). You need to be careful not to rub too hard otherwise you will remove the print from the LP jacket. If the writing is in pencil, I have found an eraser like a Staedtler Mars Plastic (you can pick it up in Office Depot, etc.) works great.I have even found it works fairly well on ink if the ink was written lightly. Be careful on LP labels though. You run the risk of removing the color from the label if you erase. Another technique is to apply acetone. Acetone evaporates is seconds and is very good at removing ink and markers. However, there are two things you need to know: Never spill acetone on your vinyl records. It will damage the record instantly. Also, if the ink or marker has set for a long time, you will not be able to completely remove all the writing. The trick to working with acetone is to apply it in a targeted fashion (e.g., with a Q-Tip - do not apply it in a broad based fashion) and then immediately dab with clean soft cloth. Repeat this process until the un-wanted blemish has been removed to your satisfaction. Contribution from another eBay member - to remove pencil, dirt and grime try a Kneaded Eraser. They are clean, with minimal crumbling and non-abrasive. Rub with light pressure to remove pencil marks, dirt and grime. Be sure to "knead" the dirty portion of the eraser back in so you are always working with a clean section of the eraser. Eraser will need to replaced after a dozen covers or so but are inexpensive and can be purchased at any art or stationery store. Contribution from another eBay member - to remove ink try a product called "Krazy Kloth". Will do an excellent job of removing most inks. It will leave a slight oily residue which comes up upon wiping with a paper towel, leaving no marks. As with any ink removing product, it is highly recommended you practice and test on junk covers before attempting a fix on one of your prized LP jackets. If you rub to hard or to long, you will remove the cover art ink. Word of caution: I have found that attempting to remove marker or ink from a label usually ends up making the situation worse . Before getting bold and tackling one of your prized LPs, I would practice on some junk vinyl, this way you won't destroy your collectible copies if your experiment ends up less than desirable. You can pick-up some cheap records at a thrift store or flea market to experiment with.


Cleaning Up Dirt & Grunge from LP Slicks
Use a product like a contractor's soot and dirt removing sponge (Ace Hardware sells them) to wipe the cover's surface area. This is a dry sponge that requires no water. You will be astonished at how much the sponge picks up after wiping the album cover surface several times. This sponge works especially well on textured, non-glossy slicks (e.g., George Harrison's All Things Must Pass and Bangladesh). This next step is to spray some Windex on a paper towel. Do not saturate. Gently wipe the jacket surface area with the sprayed towel. More dirt will come off and after a few minutes, the cover will be completely dry and you should see a marked difference in appearance. Do not rub hard otherwise you run the risk of removing the print on the slick. Be especially careful with Sgt Pepper slicks. It doesn't take much rubbing to remove the blue background on the front cover. For UK laminated covers (front and back), applying concentrated Simple Green onto a paper towel and then wiping both the laminated front slick and the non-laminated back cover works great. Another eBay Beatle collector told me about this technique and lo and behold, it worked very well. I was able to improve the appearance (and grading) of my old UK flipback covers. Let the covers dry for several hours after cleaning them. You may see some dampness in between cracks in the laminate but not to worry, after letting the cover dry, the damp spots will evaporate and disappear. Contribution from another eBay member - for removing dirt, soot, gunk and some ink and water marks try Magic Eraser. The best type are those that can be rinsed and reused. Very lightly dampen one end of the sponge and stroke / rub lightly and specifically where needed. Then use the dry end of the sponge to quickly pick-up any residual grime. Quickly wipe with a dry paper towel. This approach does not work well on porous paper covers but works great on most LP jackets. This technique takes a bit of practice so it is recommend you try it out on some junk covers until you get it down to your satisfaction. Results are excellent.

Repairing Tears or Rips
If there is a tear in the slick and the torn piece of the slick is still present, apply the Elmer's Glue Stick and press down. It works great. If you have a tear at the opening or mouth of the LP cover, take a piece of tape and apply it to inside of the cover and then press down. I normally use clear packaging tape for this type of repair because packaging tape is far more durable than run of the mill Scotch tape. This technique does not remove water damage or ink / marker.

Removing Mildew & Storage Odor
Mildew is tough to combat, but I have had decent success with this method; Remove the LP and inner sleeve from the jacket. Open the mouth of the LP cover (not too much - you don't want to split seams) and spray a shot of a odor neutralizing product like Oust into the inside of the cover. Make sure you are using an aerosol spray and not a liquid spray. A liquid spray product will wet the inside of the jacket and you run the risk of damaging your cover. Let the LP cover sit overnight. Do not seal it up or close up the opening of the cover. The next day you should notice a lot less of the mildew or storage scent. If the cover needs another dosage, simply repeat the process. Contribution from another eBay member - put the cover (without the record) in the microwave for 20-30 seconds. The microwave will extract the moisture. Repeat as necessary for a clean smelling sleeve.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ great interventions. Another pet-peeve of mine are those oily finger prints on covers. I receive some LPs with plenty of those.
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