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The dumbest thing you’ve ever heard someone say about music
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Demoniarch



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone that has ever relied on a lawyer to word craft and twist language to mean something else or misdirect actions taken to sound less impactful than they were knows nothing in language really means fuck all when one can manipulate and twist everything.

The phrase 'black metal' does not mean anything at all either really. Simply look at the bands that are all marketed under the umbrella of that label.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ PanzerGeneral

Don't play with words! "Black Metal is only about Satan" is used either by mostly three categories of people :

- "tolerant" people who can stand only a vague pseudo-Satanism because of its lack of substance ;

- Metal bros that who like the shock value but whose only extremism is counted in beers drank then puked and in consecutive parties;

- bigots into religious Satanism that say that Satan is everywhere but can't stand some of its faces.

BM is about negativity, darkness, hate, etc too and not strictly about a theatrical, philosophical or religious figure.

BTW, what about Lucifer ? According to many interpretations it's a different figure than Satan.

On topic, "I like Metal, I'm a fan of band X" where band X is pop rock with some saturated guitars and sometimes a vaguely Metal or Gothic or emo look. In the early-mid 2000's a French band named kyo fit perfectly into this category.

Or "I listen only to NSBM" by some 40yo skinheads who discovered ABSURD 3 years ago and probably knew only about AC/DC and METALLICA before.
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evilfrost



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point is : if bm has to be satanic the following bands are not black metal :
carpathian forest demo era, burzum, satyricon, strid, isvind, forgotten woods and more later bands are not black metal either like branikald, old wainds, hate forest, paysage d'hiver, akitsa, tenebrae in perpetum and the list goes on for ever.It would be quite difficult to affirm those bands are not black metal.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demoniarch wrote:

The phrase 'black metal' does not mean anything at all either really. Simply look at the bands that are all marketed under the umbrella of that label.
The term used to mean something. True the term has been watered down and lost a lot (if not all) of that meaning by now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proclaiming " we are label mates with ___"
Especially when the "
Mates " have no clue of the other bands existence .
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2009 I played some Arghoslent to a friend of mine, who was/is into mostly the commonly available pedestrian stuff like Disturbed. We've known for pretty much 30 years so he's excused no matter what, but when I said that this band has some proper riffs, he was like

"Riffs? Oh... I'm not into those things."
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shitload of people labelling DSBM every band which used even just slightly melancholic riffs or sounded a bit burzumish, this was exspecially true in the 2005-2010 era.During this time a teen once told me that there was even a difference between dbm and dsbm based on very idiotic details for ex silencer was depressive but not suicidal since he thanked some meds to ease mental issues and this was a prolife attitude hence not suicidal.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haterofhumans wrote:
Proclaiming " we are label mates with ___"
Especially when the "
Mates " have no clue of the other bands existence .


Yes, classic name-dropping. The worst!
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Teivel



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Les Pauls can’t play metal.”
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Neon



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

evilfrost wrote:
Point is : if bm has to be satanic the following bands are not black metal :
carpathian forest demo era, burzum, satyricon, strid, isvind, forgotten woods and more later bands are not black metal either like branikald, old wainds, hate forest, paysage d'hiver, akitsa, tenebrae in perpetum and the list goes on for ever.It would be quite difficult to affirm those bands are not black metal.


Lyrically those bands are not Black Metal in the traditional sense but they follow a musical/instrumental style created by bands from a time when the only definition for the genre was "Satanic Metal." Same reason we consider Deicide and Morbid Angel Death Metal, as their style/scene was firmly from the Florida Death Metal sound and not its own unique thing that can only be contained by theme. This seems to get in the way of people's thinking and they come up with really elaborate definitions of what Black Metal is, rather than looking at the history of the music and development of sound/lyrics.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teivel wrote:
“Les Pauls can’t play metal.”


Or people assuming anything from ESP or Jackson is automatically "metal".
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teivel wrote:
“Les Pauls can’t play metal.”


aka stuff that leads to glenn fricker making videos

and to contribute to this thread: anything glenn fricker says before or after the word reamping
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... true and yet we keep coming back, like fools. Cool

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I read dumb things about music EVERY TIME I check this forum.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a guy in a local band that's somewhat popular tell me that GBK is "some KKK band or something". Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once heard someone say "Ride The Lightning is not a good album."

We no longer speak to this day.
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