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Extremely technical rock, metal and hardcore
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nc666



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Necrophagist should have been the first band on any list.

Their big first album is so overproduced with quantization, recorded piece by piece, way too clean guitar sound, it's basically Guitar Pro files with vocals. imo these pop-music recording tricks make no sense in technical music and just make it sound fake.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nc666 wrote:
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Necrophagist should have been the first band on any list.

Their big first album is so overproduced with quantization, recorded piece by piece, way too clean guitar sound, it's basically Guitar Pro files with vocals. imo these pop-music recording tricks make no sense in technical music and just make it sound fake.


I was into this record for a while but definitely outgrew it. Tried to revisit it recently and it doesn't hold up for many of the reasons you listed. Even back in the day I had a couple friends who were all about this album and I always tried to push Spawn of Possession or Psycroptic on them instead.

Which, actually, I got free admission into some giant "brutal" metal tour here in town 'cuz a bud of mine was playing. Finally got to see Psycroptic and they were AWESOME. Can't really listen to them anymore but it was fun as fuck seeing them shred those songs after all these years. I was tripping out thinking how it's been 16 or so years since I was heavily into them. Time's a bitch.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a huge fan of Ion Dissonance, but Breathing is Irrelevant from 2003 is pretty good. Grittier and a little more complex than their later output, more DEP and CIC worship than break-down focused metalcore.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deveneror wrote:
Dismal wrote:
deveneror wrote:
Obvious mention to 70's prog rock in general.



Since this has been mentioned a few times, check out Gnidrolog. A generally forgotten prog band from the UK.
This song really weirdly reminds me a bit of Obscura era Gorguts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cglAk-JXq4

Also, yeah funny to see no mention of DsO, as Hallucinogen pointed out.

Ulcerate are another one. Although I haven't paid attention to them since Destroyers of all, they had a certain amount of atmosphere with their technicality.


Someone mentioned both Ulcerate and DsO. Aosoth, BaN and similar bands have a high level of technique in their performances and songwriting.

Regarding 70's prog rock, one of my fav bands is Le Orme. Italian prog rock has been largely forgotten but it was excellent.

70's Genesis was such a beast as well. From Nursery to Trick the band just totally flawless mastery.


Good call on Gnidrolog!

Also with Le Orme and Genesis, although they might be a bit "nice" (I don't mean that in a derogatory way) for most people here. Also I can't believe five pages in there's no mention of Van Der Graaf Generator. There's a band 1000 times more interesting and visceral than any of the post/beardcore shit being posted here.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syrictus is a great one-man tech DM band about cryptids and aliens and shit

https://syrictus.bandcamp.com/releases
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discuss progressive vs. technical.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabeth wrote:
Not a huge fan of Ion Dissonance, but Breathing is Irrelevant from 2003 is pretty good. Grittier and a little more complex than their later output, more DEP and CIC worship than break-down focused metalcore.


Agreed, listened to this a lot when it came out.

On Necrophagist, Onset of Putrefaction is indeed mainly guitar exercises set to a drum machine, but imo Epitaph is a masterpiece. Great combo of songwriting and technicality. Way overdone style since then.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devoured Death wrote:
Also I can't believe five pages in there's no mention of Van Der Graaf Generator. There's a band 1000 times more interesting and visceral than any of the post/beardcore shit being posted here.


Great one indeed, also shoutout to Camel, not THE most technical prog band, but definitely the one I like the most. To think all that stuff was recorded to tape; it's mindblowing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axebix wrote:
Discuss progressive vs. technical.

I haven't fully narrowed down the distinction in my mind (at least for tech death vs. prog death), but I'd say (of course noting these two genres can cross over):

tech death:
-string skipping
-flashy shredding guitarwork (especially sweep picking)
-fast, start-stop guitarwork
-uses outright dissonance in its faster riffs

prog death:
-the distinctive guitar riff type of prog-era Death (palm muted tremolo picked riff that sounds "introspective" and is a bit slower than your usual tremolo picking)
-elements of progressive metal riffing
-songs are often relatively slower than tech death and even perhaps regular death metal
-emphasis on weird chords, dissonance tends to appear in the slower parts rather than faster ones (side note: I classify Gorguts-worshipping death metal bands as prog death)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

axebix wrote:
Discuss progressive vs. technical.


In terms of prog rock, I mentioned both Le Orme and Genesis because their music was not just playing shit with odd signatures, but there is also heavily technical shit going on, especially on Collins and Banks side (regarding Genesis). Listen "The Musical Box". Collins was using a single bass pedal there. His drumming on both Selling England and A Trick is mindblowing.

Le Orme's vocalist played a shit ton of instruments and did some really spectacular things under the "easy" impression of the albums - mainly because their music was always kinda uplifting and "happy".

If we go in that route, there are tons of great bands, sometimes forgotten, like Gentle Giant, Focus, Happy the Man, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Premiata Forneria Marconi and a bunch more.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prog: I can hear the bass
tech: I can't hear the bass
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laundry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgBttMc7tM

like Primus meets King Crimson
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm going to blow my own fucking horn here

The Flying Luttenbachers "Incarceration By Abstraction"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SB8pISOoI

There's plenty more where this comes from

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sabeth wrote:
prog: I can hear the bass
tech: I can't hear the bass


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