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blodhemn9



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IXTAB wrote:
decimator wrote:

Though i was under the impression that both conqueror and revenge went by the term "war metal" rather than bestial black metal.


While reading this whole thread I've been thinking that personally (and these categories are all kind of defined personally anyways), CONQUEROR and REVENGE don't fit under a label with these other bands. Whether you want to call it "war metal" or something else, they are far more violent than what I think of as bestial. Listening to these two bands in particular makes me want to go and break things. Not so much with the others.


Hmm. I've always found Blasphemy and Sarcofago to be much more 'violent' than Conqueror or Revenge. Blasphemy and Sarcofago have always seemed 'looser' to me, which gives the chance to lash out within their songs, which is where I get the violent urges from, while Conqueror or Revenge are more compressed and deliberate, losing some of the violent outbursts..... IMO , of course!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenBull wrote:
Isn't "war metal" an uncool term now? Laughing


so i lost all my cool points then...? Laughing

Id add old mystifier, but their a pretty obvious choice.
Stick with the classics mate.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

templedclxvi wrote:
heres what I'd recommend, which weren't mentioned.

GOATPENIS. they are one band that actually gets more and more savage in each recording.

NUCLEARHAMMER, very promising, has similiar suffocating sound as the late DOMINI INFERI but the brutal riffing of CONQUEROR. also theres some vids on youtube from their rehearsals, the drummer really draws his influences from J. Read and DD Crazy!!!

NAKED WHIPPER 'Painstreaks' kicks ass but i prefer the Moloch ep, it has more pounding sound...

PSEUDOGOD from Russia, thought they were brutal on their last split with some other band!

SADOMATOR - really really dirty and sleazy, alot like 'oath of black blood'

BESTIAL RAIDS - 'Reversed black trinity' is their best IMO, get it

I also thought TRUPPENSTRUM lp was bestial as fuck! Has anyone heard LIBATION - sanctimonious offerings and band called MOCKERY from greece? I would love to hear these!


Yeah man, Good recommendations!

I actully know the NUCLEARHAMMER guys personally. Great bunch of folks. I just went to one of their shows the other day. They eat, live, and breath the ross bay style of BM/DM!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tireheb wrote:
GOATPENIS yes! All the way from the Suppurated Fetus demos to the latest tape ep.


FUCKING RIGHT!

Goatpenis is fantastic!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goatpenis and Nuclearhammer are a big joke imo.

There are already topics about this genre on this board, don't you get tired of asking the same always?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

templedclxvi wrote:


SADOMATOR - really really dirty and sleazy, alot like 'oath of black blood'



Really????
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goatchrist wrote:
Goatpenis and Nuclearhammer are a big joke imo.

There are already topics about this genre on this board, don't you get tired of asking the same always?


Why are they a big joke? Sloppy playing?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goatchrist wrote:
templedclxvi wrote:


SADOMATOR - really really dirty and sleazy, alot like 'oath of black blood'



Really????


It's different than The Oath, I woulden't compare their sound to that album.

Very good band, though. They actully have a large amount of Grindcore influence.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@destroyer_of_worlds go to sleep.

@everyone else good discussion, I think everyone's pretty much right. These old black/death bands come to mind when hearing the term bestial because they are, regardless of when the term was coined (imo).

And i'd classify Conqueror & Revenge as war metal, if i'd have to list similar bands the first band to come to mind would be Diocletian. But if I'm not mistaken the OP asked for bestial/war metal recommendations.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IXTAB wrote:
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GoldenBull wrote:
pre-most-recent-album Teitanblood and Embrace of Thorns.


I haven't heard any EoT prior to Atonement Ritual, so I can't really give an opinion on it. However, I think Teitanblood sounded far less unique on earlier releases. I didn't even like them until I heard the full length. (I am one of the few with that opinion most likely, I will admit)
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I actually had Emperor in mind for some reason, but yeah the same logic would apply to a shredded goat man with his dick flapping in the wind.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Primitivehatemagick wrote:
@destroyer_of_worlds go to sleep.

@everyone else good discussion, I think everyone's pretty much right. These old black/death bands come to mind when hearing the term bestial because they are, regardless of when the term was coined (imo).

And i'd classify Conqueror & Revenge as war metal, if i'd have to list similar bands the first band to come to mind would be Diocletian. But if I'm not mistaken the OP asked for bestial/war metal recommendations.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ... come on, don't cry.

Ok, so what I'm getting here is that all black metal bands not fitting the Scandinavian black metal style is bestial.

Ok, I'll play along.
Here's some:
Samael - Worship Him
Tiamat - Sumerian Cry - they done the whispers even before Beherit

Now we have more bestial bands, that i didn't even know were bestial before. LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

destroyer_of_worlds wrote:
Primitivehatemagick wrote:
@destroyer_of_worlds go to sleep.

@everyone else good discussion, I think everyone's pretty much right. These old black/death bands come to mind when hearing the term bestial because they are, regardless of when the term was coined (imo).

And i'd classify Conqueror & Revenge as war metal, if i'd have to list similar bands the first band to come to mind would be Diocletian. But if I'm not mistaken the OP asked for bestial/war metal recommendations.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ... come on, don't cry.

Ok, so what I'm getting here is that all black metal bands not fitting the Scandinavian black metal style is bestial.

Ok, I'll play along.
Here's some:
Samael - Worship Him
Tiamat - Sumerian Cry - they done the whispers even before Beherit

Now we have more bestial bands, that i didn't even know were bestial before. LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

destroyer_of_worlds wrote:
Now we have more bestial bands, that i didn't even know were bestial before. LOL


haha, exactly...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blasphemophizer wrote:
Goatchrist wrote:
templedclxvi wrote:


SADOMATOR - really really dirty and sleazy, alot like 'oath of black blood'



Really????


It's different than The Oath, I woulden't compare their sound to that album.

Very good band, though. They actully have a large amount of Grindcore influence.

Also, they have quite a bit of influence from Satanic Evil if you listen carefully to the song Goat Evoked Masochism.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

destroyer_of_worlds wrote:
Primitivehatemagick wrote:
Morphic wrote:
is it ok not to like proclamation now? i don't get the fuzz about them since they started surfacing but anyway:

(early) impaled nazarene
sadistik exekution - the magus
bestial summoning - dark war
bestial warlust
impiety - demos and 7"
abhorer
profanatica
sarcofago
sodom - in the sign of evil
bathory - the return
black crucifixion (not dark crucifixion ok?)
imperator from poland

the new ones, including the new ones who claimed like they belong to the old ones for some cult reason, doing this thing were ALL useless!



Bestial Summoning is an incredible band, but i'd never refer to them as bestial black metal. Nor Profanatica Wink


In actuality, none of the bands mentioned by Primitivehatemagick are bestial. In their heydays they are simply called black metal, even Blasphemy and Beherit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the first mention of bestial was like the late 90s with R. Forster's interview with Conqueror - BESTIAL BLACK DEATH DEVASTATION. If that is so, then the term bestial is only for the new ones from the late 90s up to today, meaning NOT ALL are useless.


I would've thought you'd assume it was since the birth of the band Bestial Warlust, who worship Blasphemy to death. At least they have the word 'bestial' in their name Rolling Eyes

Either or that or it originated in South America, with Sarcofago, Sextrash, Holocausto, and the like. It's more of a SOUND and STYLE than it is a play on words.
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